Lsd?

T_R_J · 05-19-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger

I'm on my phone so I can't make out your wheel type very well but they look like mine so I'm guessing you have a non-sport model. I also plan on going with an LSD in the future. There are quite a few threads that deal with this subject but one member recently posted that his OS GIKEN LSD (clutch type designed for the 370, not the 350 like Quaife) spent nearly $2,500 in total with all the parts, labor and OSG rear diff fluid as recommended. His review also summed it all up very well. No rebuilding, come in 1, 1.5 and 2 way configurations and super lock. Just need to figure out if you are going to track it, drag it, drift it, or just DD it like me.

Looking at OS GIKEN's website it doesn't look like they have an LSD for the 370Z MT, only AT.

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NS113-HA
Fairlady / 350Z / 370Z
Z33/Z34 3.357 AT
VQ35HR/VQ37 AT only
AT only
fitment to 3.357 final

Product

Thanks for the info though, this is something I'm interested in persueing. I owned a 06' 350Z and it had a vLSD. I really didn't notice it 'helping' much but compared to the amount of wheelspin I have in the 370, I think it's worth it even for a DD. The amount I think I would save over the lifetime in tires would probably make it worth it.

Cheers

diddy535 · 05-19-2013, 10:19 PM

OP, Quaife makes a pretty good one that people seem to like. Cheaper than the Giken and doesn't need to be rebuilt every 15k.

Tigger · 05-19-2013, 10:46 PM

Yes, Quaife makes one but from what I've come to understand it is designed for the 350 and requires some other parts. Don't know the specifics there.

And I saw that on the site about the AT for that model. That is correct. But from what I remember the other guy here that just did his installed used the NS-111 model for the 350. So in the same respect as the Quaife for its original intended purpose but by OSG instead. I'm sure you'll come up with your own conclusion so don't let me sway you one way or another. Not trying to be a fanboy here. Only relaying what I've come to read about others' experience. Good luck!

diddy535 · 05-19-2013, 10:56 PM

All the LSD upgrades require some new parts from the VLSD, the Quaife needs a stub shaft assembly. It will still be way cheaper than the OS Giken and again, won't need to be rebuilt. Depends on what you want out of your car, if you're handy and can rebuild your LSD then yeah no big deal but if you're getting one for a DD maybe a few track days - it's hard to justify the price of the Giken.

happytheman · 05-19-2013, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kfull

LSD? I can get you some for a good price....oh... Never mind....

Nice!

PM me.

DR_ · 05-20-2013, 12:45 PM

Quaife QDF13L is a direct replacement for the VLSD and does not need stub shafts.

diddy535 · 05-20-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DR_

Quaife QDF13L is a direct replacement for the VLSD and does not need stub shafts.

Thought it was direct if you had the base/open diff. I prob got it backwards.

Masa · 05-20-2013, 04:21 PM

Taken from Z1's website:

Quaife Differentials require no modification to install in a Base model vehicle with open style factory diff. However if your car is equipped with a factory LSD you have two possible options to properly isntall an aftermarket Limited Slip Differential:
A) Purchase a Base Model LSD and add the optional $140 Stub Shaft assmebly
B) Purchase the Factory LSD Model LSD and DO NOT purchase the $140 Stub Shaft assembly.

DR_ · 05-20-2013, 04:43 PM

^ And option B is the QDF13L model.

dP3NGU1N · 05-20-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by diddy535

OP, Quaife makes a pretty good one that people seem to like. Cheaper than the Giken and doesn't need to be rebuilt every 15k.

The quaife would be the cheaper solution but in my research there was a drawback to that system regarding if your wheels ever left the ground. Not something that generally occurs during everyday driving but one member had issues when he went over the shoulders on the track (I can't, for the life of me, remember what those things are called. Generally red and white and they line the corners of the track). I mean it was mostly anecdotal but swayed my decision towards a true clutch type LSD like the OSGiken.

Also, the OSGiken does not need to be rebuilt. 15k mi is the interval at which the oil needs to be changed. OSG boasts that they have never had to rebuild one of their clutch type LSDs even though they were made to be done so easily.

My full review here: Another OSGiken Superlock 1.5 way LSD Review...

Parts list from the review:
For 6MT w/ stock vLSD:
OS Giken NS111-HA – OS Giken Superlock 1.5 way LSD (auto uses a different model number)
OS Giken OS011-KA – OS Giken Diff fluid
Whiteline KDT911 – Rear diff bushings
38440-0C000 – Nissan carrier bearings
38220-Z33003 – 350z left flange. This was what I could find and it works, as far as I know the differentials are the same. The 370z part number is ACTUALLY 38220-JK01B (the old one is 38220-1NC1B)
38351-350DK – Nismo finned diff cover

GSS138 · 05-20-2013, 05:30 PM

From the way it was described to me, the OEM LSD is a 30% power transfer. The Giken is 100%. So if one wheel goes off ground, the OEM will Xfer 30% power to the wheel on the ground, while the Giken will do 100%(this is probably oversimplifying it a bit, but that's the best I understand it.)

The fastest 370's at the track days I go to all use the Giken. I can not see me doing it anytime soon, as my skill level is still low and this upgrade probably wouldn't do me much good yet. But the guys that run the fastest 350's/370s I see are using the Giken.

Can't comment on the Quaife but they make good stuff.

diddy535 · 05-20-2013, 05:56 PM

Right Giken is better not saying that it isn't but the OP just said he wanted to upgrade his VLSD, nothing about tracking or anything like that. Giken is the best but is hundreds more, was just trying to offer a better solution than stock VLSD for what appears to be a non-track driver.

dP3NGU1N · 05-20-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by diddy535

Right Giken is better not saying that it isn't but the OP just said he wanted to upgrade his VLSD, nothing about tracking or anything like that. Giken is the best but is hundreds more, was just trying to offer a better solution than stock VLSD for what appears to be a non-track driver.

If you're trying to justify your suggestion, I don't see a need. Quaife is a perfectly adequate solution at an excellent price. I just wanted to clarify the 15k/mi rebuild remark as well as offer my own personal experience with the OSG thus far.

I'd also like to clarify that the issue with quaife was purely anecdotal and had no standardized test in which to quantify the issue.

GSS138 · 05-20-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by diddy535

Right Giken is better not saying that it isn't but the OP just said he wanted to upgrade his VLSD, nothing about tracking or anything like that. Giken is the best but is hundreds more, was just trying to offer a better solution than stock VLSD for what appears to be a non-track driver.

Yeah if you are not going to be lifting wheels off the ground in turn 4, the Giken is overkill. If you just want a LSD to have and LSD, then I am sure there is a lower price point. Quaife is known for making no BS stuff, I would buy from them in a heartbeat.

What is interesting is the way a LSD actually works. Did you know the whole thing is designed around what is essentially a big solid oil booger? It was explained to me by the same guy that was telling me why he uses the Giken. The whole "clutch" mechanism is like this big ball of oil-snot-jello thing.

In addition, if you burn the booger snot jello clutch out, the whole thing is f-ed. When you change the LSD oil, it doesn't really affect the booger snot ball, if that thing gets too hot, it's done.

dP3NGU1N · 05-20-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GSS138

Yeah if you are not going to be lifting wheels off the ground in turn 4, the Giken is overkill. If you just want a LSD to have and LSD, then I am sure there is a lower price point. Quaife is known for making no BS stuff, I would buy from them in a heartbeat.

What is interesting is the way a LSD actually works. Did you know the whole thing is designed around what is essentially a big solid oil booger? It was explained to me by the same guy that was telling me why he uses the Giken. The whole "clutch" mechanism is like this big ball of oil-snot-jello thing.

In addition, if you burn the booger snot jello clutch out, the whole thing is f-ed. When you change the LSD oil, it doesn't really affect the booger snot ball, if that thing gets too hot, it's done.

Umm, you're talking about the stock VLSD that comes with the sport model and not other mechanical LSDs right?

05-19-2013, 10:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
diddy535 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 789 Drives: '09 370Z RAE 6MT Rep Power: 14	OP, Quaife makes a pretty good one that people seem to like. Cheaper than the Giken and doesn't need to be rebuilt every 15k. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...ys-thread.html

05-19-2013, 10:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
diddy535 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 789 Drives: '09 370Z RAE 6MT Rep Power: 14	All the LSD upgrades require some new parts from the VLSD, the Quaife needs a stub shaft assembly. It will still be way cheaper than the OS Giken and again, won't need to be rebuilt. Depends on what you want out of your car, if you're handy and can rebuild your LSD then yeah no big deal but if you're getting one for a DD maybe a few track days - it's hard to justify the price of the Giken. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...ys-thread.html

05-20-2013, 04:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
Masa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2,237 Drives: Family Cars Rep Power: 20	Taken from Z1's website: Quaife Differentials require no modification to install in a Base model vehicle with open style factory diff. However if your car is equipped with a factory LSD you have two possible options to properly isntall an aftermarket Limited Slip Differential: A) Purchase a Base Model LSD and add the optional $140 Stub Shaft assmebly B) Purchase the Factory LSD Model LSD and DO NOT purchase the $140 Stub Shaft assembly. __________________ BMW 340i Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk

05-20-2013, 04:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	^ And option B is the QDF13L model. cdoxp800 likes this.

05-20-2013, 05:30 PM	#26 (permalink)
GSS138 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Posts: 769 Drives: '12 370Z 6M Sport Rep Power: 13	From the way it was described to me, the OEM LSD is a 30% power transfer. The Giken is 100%. So if one wheel goes off ground, the OEM will Xfer 30% power to the wheel on the ground, while the Giken will do 100%(this is probably oversimplifying it a bit, but that's the best I understand it.) The fastest 370's at the track days I go to all use the Giken. I can not see me doing it anytime soon, as my skill level is still low and this upgrade probably wouldn't do me much good yet. But the guys that run the fastest 350's/370s I see are using the Giken. Can't comment on the Quaife but they make good stuff. __________________ Current Mods: Vorpal Weapon +5.

05-19-2013, 10:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tigger A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NM Posts: 8,063 Drives: Awedeeeeee Rep Power: 602	Yes, Quaife makes one but from what I've come to understand it is designed for the 350 and requires some other parts. Don't know the specifics there. And I saw that on the site about the AT for that model. That is correct. But from what I remember the other guy here that just did his installed used the NS-111 model for the 350. So in the same respect as the Quaife for its original intended purpose but by OSG instead. I'm sure you'll come up with your own conclusion so don't let me sway you one way or another. Not trying to be a fanboy here. Only relaying what I've come to read about others' experience. Good luck!

05-20-2013, 12:45 PM	#21 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	Quaife QDF13L is a direct replacement for the VLSD and does not need stub shafts.

05-20-2013, 05:56 PM	#27 (permalink)
diddy535 Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 789 Drives: '09 370Z RAE 6MT Rep Power: 14	Right Giken is better not saying that it isn't but the OP just said he wanted to upgrade his VLSD, nothing about tracking or anything like that. Giken is the best but is hundreds more, was just trying to offer a better solution than stock VLSD for what appears to be a non-track driver. GSS138 likes this. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...ys-thread.html Last edited by diddy535; 05-20-2013 at 05:58 PM.