Bad sales new for z's

Bucketlist2012 · 05-16-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I think you may be stretching the term "sports car" with those two.

Sports car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sports car - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Sports car | Define Sports car at Dictionary.com
Sportscar - definition of Sportscar by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Ford Mustang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (for kicks search sports car in there. It says sports-car-like... once)
Chevrolet Camaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nissan 370Z - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you will understand the difference.

True, the Mustang and the Camaro's are "Sport Coupes"...Not sports cars...

faya · 05-16-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by My_third_Z

This. I was walking to my car in a parking lot yesterday and saw a young guy (~20) looking at my car. When I opened the door he said, "Hey man, nice car!". Had I been driving a car that sells 10 times as well, there's no way that conversation happens because I'm just one of 1000s on the road. I'll take my slow, heavy Z, any day over the Mustang or Camaro.

I am with you man! Well said. I am happy with my baby as well.. All the driver of the cars mentioned, stares and breaks their neck on me.. Priceless!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk- faya baby!

Nismodean · 05-16-2013, 11:24 PM

Here we go again, why on God's green earth do people always look at the Z and says she needs to go on a diet when in fact the domestic cars are the true fat asses here?!

2013 FORD MUSTANG GT
--------------------------------------Coupe------------------Convertible
HP/TQ--------------------------------420/390----------------420/390
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3,618-------------------3,735
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----3,675-------------------3,792
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2013 Chevrolet Camaro

HP/TQ--------------------------------426/420--------------400/410
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3849------------------N/A
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----N/A-------------------3902
Convertible weights not listed, but they're more than a coupe.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2009-2013 Nissan 370Z

CURB WEIGHTS-------------370Z----------370Z Touring---NISMO 370Z
HP/TQ----------------------332/270-------332/270--------350/276
Manual Transmission---------3,245----------3,291----------3,314
Automatic Transmission------3,283----------3,329----------N/A

It seems rare these days that people have even heard of the concept of power to weight ratio. For that extra 68-88 horsepower you're gaining 289(touring)-362(non touring) lbs MINIMUM and up to 531(touring) - 604 (non touring) lbs! Is it just me or does a gain of less than 100 HP and a gain of up to a quarter of a ton not sound like a good deal?
You want a Mustang or a Camaro? Have at it, but you're going to literally have your cake and EAT IT too! FATTY!

wstar · 05-16-2013, 11:45 PM

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

ubs234 · 05-17-2013, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91

Faster than every car in its class in a straight line stock to stock?hmm lets see here in the affordable sports car category, (which the z is in btw) compare 2012 models across the board new including the z. mustang v6 camaro v6 are faster in a straight line if not the same.

"Check yo'self before you wreck yoself"

I hope your joking young blood. Even the 2013 V6 Mustangs are slower than 370z stock vs stock in straight line. The 2010 Mustang GT was slower than 370z. Idk what your talking about.

blackcherry20 · 05-17-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012

True, the Mustang and the Camaro's are "Sport Coupes"...Not sports cars...

exactly why i have a sports CAR.

blackcherry20 · 05-17-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

and you didnt even mention the best part IMHO:
image.jpg it looks dang sexy at the starting line

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me.

The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me

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Originally Posted by ubs234

I don't know what is wrong with a lot of people. The Nissan 370z outperforms 90% of cars in it's class. Stock for stock it looks way sportier and sexier than the STI, EVO, GTI, Mustang, Honda s2k, Rx-8, Rx-7, frs, brz. Yeah FRS, BRZ, and Mustang GT also look good, but don't have that special aggressiveness that the 370z offers. Also it is faster in a straight line than aolmost every car in it's class stock for stock. It handles better than most cars besides the FRS and BRZ. Also with the Z you get a great interior which you can't get with the STI or EVO. I can keep going. Z is quality for the price it sells at. The reason other cars are cheaper is because they don't come well equipped from the factory. Z already has nice exterior, interior, and great performance. Even with a few aftermarket mods to produce some more power and better handling it is a track beast. It can also drift and AWD cars can't.

This is riddled with subjectivity and in some cases, Fanboyism. Actually, the G37x and GT-R are part-time AWD's that with some practice behind the wheel, you can actually drift them.

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Originally Posted by ubs234

FRS and BRZ are sexy and have nice interiors, but lack so much power.

Nice interiors??? The FR-S/BRZ is a lot of things but interior?

I guess that's subjective to but if you're in a Z going to an FR-S?

bdavis89 · 05-17-2013, 08:48 AM

I just don't get it...who thinks this looks good?

This outsells the Z because of the name and the price. End of story.

Chuck33079 · 05-17-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bdavis89

I just don't get it...who thinks this looks good?

People will rice out anything, even Mustangs. We're not immune, either. Someone posted pics of his Z with a huge tramp stamp painted on the sides yesterday.

IDZRVIT · 05-17-2013, 09:03 AM

Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game.

ElVee · 05-17-2013, 09:10 AM

When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated *that* often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year.

When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now?

It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum.

If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.

ElVee · 05-17-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaughanabe13

Same here in Iowa. Tons of rundown and riced-out mustangs around here. Lately I've seen more challengers and chargers pop up as well.

Oh man, the number of Chargers on the road is rivaling the number of Mustangs this spring. I'm sick of seeing those bloated beasts. But you're correct. Unless it's a GT500 or a very specially-kept vehicle, none of them get second looks. Maybe a "turn-down-the-music-and-listen-to-the-v8," but that's it. I still admire the Camaro design though.

The Z, though, is a constant head-turner. I just need to figure out what exhaust to put on to get the sound in line with the looks.

edub370 · 05-17-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ubs234

FRS and BRZ are sexy and have nice interiors, but lack so much power.

dafuq?

have u sat in one of those things?? we looked at one for my gf and she wouldn't even take it for a test drive after we sat in it. her words were.." disgusting and cheap". those cars do many things well, but having a nice interior isn't one of them.

but... to be fair, we should prolly stay away from that "true definition of a sports car" game. going by the 2 seats only rule, a 911 turbo, gtr, and m3 aren't "sports cars" lol. played this game with an m3 owner at work here the other day

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-17-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

dafuq?

have u sat in one of those things?? we looked at one for my gf and she wouldn't even take it for a test drive after we sat in it. her words were.." disgusting and cheap". those cars do many things well, but having a nice interior isn't one of them.

but... to be fair, we should prolly stay away from that "true definition of a sports car" game. going by the 2 seats only rule, a 911 turbo, gtr, and m3 aren't "sports cars" lol. played this game with an m3 owner at work here the other day

Same exact experience with my wife except i test drove it anyway. I have a base+ sport. We got in the FR-S and she was like... "ugh ugh!!!" Right off the bat. I was definitely not impressed.

Then went over to a subie dealer to look at the premium BRZ. Leather in the BRZ has the same effect as lipstick on a pig. Doesn't make it very pretty. Of course, Subaru treated the BRZ like Gold and didn't allow me to test drive. Thats why Subie will never see my business.

05-16-2013, 11:24 PM	#93 (permalink)
Nismodean Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 313 Drives: 2009 RIP Now 2012 Rep Power: 15	Here we go again, why on God's green earth do people always look at the Z and says she needs to go on a diet when in fact the domestic cars are the true fat asses here?! 2013 FORD MUSTANG GT --------------------------------------Coupe------------------Convertible HP/TQ--------------------------------420/390----------------420/390 Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3,618-------------------3,735 Automatic transmission Curb Weight----3,675-------------------3,792 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013 Chevrolet Camaro HP/TQ--------------------------------426/420--------------400/410 Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3849------------------N/A Automatic transmission Curb Weight----N/A-------------------3902 Convertible weights not listed, but they're more than a coupe. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2009-2013 Nissan 370Z CURB WEIGHTS-------------370Z----------370Z Touring---NISMO 370Z HP/TQ----------------------332/270-------332/270--------350/276 Manual Transmission---------3,245----------3,291----------3,314 Automatic Transmission------3,283----------3,329----------N/A It seems rare these days that people have even heard of the concept of power to weight ratio. For that extra 68-88 horsepower you're gaining 289(touring)-362(non touring) lbs MINIMUM and up to 531(touring) - 604 (non touring) lbs! Is it just me or does a gain of less than 100 HP and a gain of up to a quarter of a ton not sound like a good deal? You want a Mustang or a Camaro? Have at it, but you're going to literally have your cake and EAT IT too! FATTY! UNKNOWN_370, Nailzs, ubs234 and 1 others like this. __________________ The Truth, it hurts sometimes. FI LTH & FI CF CBE. This is a 370Z forum, if I want to fling poo at another brand of car and your feelings get hurt, then you're hanging out in the wrong forum (cry elsewhere). Last edited by Nismodean; 05-17-2013 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Format

05-16-2013, 11:45 PM	#94 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but still, they're basically competitive with us. I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just feels nice. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I want an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either. ubs234 likes this. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-17-2013, 08:48 AM	#99 (permalink)
bdavis89 Track Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 586 Drives: '10 370Z PW Auto Rep Power: 15	I just don't get it...who thinks this looks good? This outsells the Z because of the name and the price. End of story. UNKNOWN_370, kenchan, Nismodean and 3 others like this. __________________ 2010 Pearl White Touring Sport Package \| Navigation \| 7 Speed Automatic

05-17-2013, 09:03 AM	#101 (permalink)
IDZRVIT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Halifax Posts: 1,659 Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette Rep Power: 27	Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game. __________________ "America.... still builds rockets!" Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp '13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP

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ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 16	When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated that often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year. When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now? It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum. If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.