Bad sales new for z's

RoshDawg · 05-16-2013, 01:43 PM

Well it looks sexy as hell

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdavis89

What the average consumer looks at:

200hp for $24k - FR-S/BRZ
300hp for $24k - V6 Mustang/Camaro
300hp for $32k - 370z
400hp for $32k - Mustang GT/Camaro

What's the best value for hp? Mustang/Camaro

I, like a lot of people here, picked the 370z for the more "sporty" feel, design, and because it was less common. However, the first thing people mention and compare is hp (rightly or wrongly) and that's just the way it is. There certainly is something crazy cool about having 400hp from a $32k car. I almost got one, but it didn't have the same steering "feel" as the Mustang (regardless of how well it actually handles, it doesn't FEEL like its handling well). Most roads are straight(ish), so people in the USA value power more.

Amen, hallelujah, and preach on brother... People who buy Z's need to feel like they are one with their car. Being one with the Z helps overcome many of the Z's drawbacks.

But people are so media influenced that your chart is all they see.

Highway · 05-16-2013, 02:10 PM

I'm okay with this article. I never am one to buy a car with a high production number and I do still enjoy the fact that I barely see any around town. I've actually been looking at a car that has less than 1000 built and it's probably not the best for it's money, but I love the looks and handling.

The article doesn't talk about how many Z34's were destroyed in the 2011 tsunami or bring up the fact that Z33 people don't seem to like the Z34 for whatever reason.

RonZwanson · 05-16-2013, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Amen, hallelujah, and preach on brother... People who buy Z's need to feel like they are one with their car. Being one with the Z helps overcome many of the Z's drawbacks.

But people are so media influenced that your chart is all they see.

That chart is pretty spot-on. I was considering a 2012 Mustang when I bought my Z, but I bought it for a lot of the same reasons everyone else did. You see a Mustang every three miles.

And somebody a couple posts up touched on why muscle cars are so popular in America. The majority of our roads are straight, wide, and cruise-friendly. While the ride of the Z may not bother a lot of people on this forum, myself included, it's not REALLY a cruise friendly car to most people. It's stiff, you sit low, there's no steering play, and it's loud.

I don't care about that stuff, so they weren't buying factors. I wanted the Z because it's not that common, and I live around some twisty back roads that are fun the zip around on. I also stayed away from the Mustang because used ham sandwiches have better resale value.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonZwanson

That chart is pretty spot-on. I was considering a 2012 Mustang when I bought my Z, but I bought it for a lot of the same reasons everyone else did. You see a Mustang every three miles.

And somebody a couple posts up touched on why muscle cars are so popular in America. The majority of our roads are straight, wide, and cruise-friendly. While the ride of the Z may not bother a lot of people on this forum, myself included, it's not REALLY a cruise friendly car to most people. It's stiff, you sit low, there's no steering play, and it's loud.

I don't care about that stuff, so they weren't buying factors. I wanted the Z because it's not that common, and I live around some twisty back roads that are fun the zip around on. I also stayed away from the Mustang because used ham sandwiches have better resale value.

The camaro is the best cruise car out there. Seats so comfy, they feel like sex. Loads of torque and immense steering feedback. Performance related downsides like weight,width and outward visibility don't make it ideal as a performance car. But it handles perfectly for the cruising street driver that loves to hit the throttle and have fun, or maybe go to the track for a few drag races...

The enthusiast can do more with a camaro than what i stated, but that's just where my experience with the Camaro took me.

kenchan · 05-16-2013, 02:24 PM

this article is getting waay too much attention than it deserves.

/THREAD

my2004Z · 05-16-2013, 02:56 PM

Every time Nissan releases a new from-the-ground-up version of the Z and the GT-R they are leading the pack in performance value and practical technology implementation (dual clutch, Syncro Rev Match, quick 7 speed auto, etc) . The 370Z has been out since late 2008 and is nearing the end of its life cycle. For whatever business reason Nissan had to not go with FI or additional displacement, the 370Z is still in the top 99% of cars on the road. I am convinced that a hybrid Z will arrive soon enough with mega-torque numbers and a dual clutch tranny. Everyone else will follow 2-3 years later.

Amuse370z · 05-16-2013, 02:57 PM

I laugh everytime someone says they like the 350z more or think the 370z is ugly.

I mean are you blind? This car is a neck breaker.

DLSTR · 05-16-2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kfull

I love my z and have fully enjoyed every mile that I've driven l. That's all that matters to me

. And I like the looks of the z way better than any other other car in its category.

POST OF THE DAY! Well said!

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ

If Honda and Toyota wanted to make a sport car it would blow Nissan away in quality,pricing, resale value.

Nissan is a cheap company, nobody really wants their overpriced cars only their cheap economy cars.

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Every car has it's problems, troll. Even your beloved BS cars... Your mouth must look identical to someone's azzhole. Cuz all you talk is shyt.

JungleZ · 05-16-2013, 03:04 PM

O god don't even tell me Nissan can touch Honda or Toyota, that's where people go for economy cars, and true sports car guys get porshes not used nissans. The gtr is the only car worth buying.

Apoc370z · 05-16-2013, 03:04 PM

I like how this thread is more about statistics and facts instead of car bashings.

But in the end, i think most Z owners know about the flaws the car have, the people that are not happy with it already moved on.

There is no doubt that there are cars that are more of a bang for the buck compare to the Z, and i have driven a lot of other luxury sports cars in the past, and they made me appreciate the Z's "roughness" more. Luxury sports cars are too tamed for my personal taste, and i find the comfort aspect of it boring..

Lastly, muscle cars are never gonna be appealing to me, not that theres anything bad about them, they just dont offer what i want.

Besides, most girls know nothing about car, th shape of the Z attracts more women!

Tigger · 05-16-2013, 03:13 PM

Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all.

And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two.

Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist.

But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh.

Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it.

seizer8 · 05-16-2013, 03:16 PM

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-16-2013, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigger

Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all.

And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two.

Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist.

But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh.

Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it.

American cars run long model years. Closer to a decade. There refreshes happen 5 and 6 years in. They usually add more power though. But the Z will be redesigned completely 2015/16 model so.... you heard kinda wrong.

05-16-2013, 01:43 PM	#31 (permalink)
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05-16-2013, 02:10 PM	#33 (permalink)
Highway Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 394 Drives: Offroad Rep Power: 14	I'm okay with this article. I never am one to buy a car with a high production number and I do still enjoy the fact that I barely see any around town. I've actually been looking at a car that has less than 1000 built and it's probably not the best for it's money, but I love the looks and handling. The article doesn't talk about how many Z34's were destroyed in the 2011 tsunami or bring up the fact that Z33 people don't seem to like the Z34 for whatever reason. RonZwanson likes this.

05-16-2013, 02:57 PM	#38 (permalink)
Amuse370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,170 Drives: '13 PW Fairlady Z Rep Power: 16	I laugh everytime someone says they like the 350z more or think the 370z is ugly. I mean are you blind? This car is a neck breaker. Vaughanabe13 and VSS370z like this.

05-16-2013, 03:04 PM	#42 (permalink)
Apoc370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 999 Drives: 2011 GM z34 Rep Power: 15	I like how this thread is more about statistics and facts instead of car bashings. But in the end, i think most Z owners know about the flaws the car have, the people that are not happy with it already moved on. There is no doubt that there are cars that are more of a bang for the buck compare to the Z, and i have driven a lot of other luxury sports cars in the past, and they made me appreciate the Z's "roughness" more. Luxury sports cars are too tamed for my personal taste, and i find the comfort aspect of it boring.. Lastly, muscle cars are never gonna be appealing to me, not that theres anything bad about them, they just dont offer what i want. Besides, most girls know nothing about car, th shape of the Z attracts more women! UNKNOWN_370 and Vaughanabe13 like this.

05-16-2013, 03:13 PM	#43 (permalink)
Tigger A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NM Posts: 8,063 Drives: Awedeeeeee Rep Power: 602	Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all. And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two. Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist. But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh. Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it. Montez likes this.

05-16-2013, 02:24 PM	#36 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	this article is getting waay too much attention than it deserves. /THREAD

05-16-2013, 02:56 PM	#37 (permalink)
my2004Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 285 Drives: 09' 370Z w/Sport 7AT Rep Power: 37	Every time Nissan releases a new from-the-ground-up version of the Z and the GT-R they are leading the pack in performance value and practical technology implementation (dual clutch, Syncro Rev Match, quick 7 speed auto, etc) . The 370Z has been out since late 2008 and is nearing the end of its life cycle. For whatever business reason Nissan had to not go with FI or additional displacement, the 370Z is still in the top 99% of cars on the road. I am convinced that a hybrid Z will arrive soon enough with mega-torque numbers and a dual clutch tranny. Everyone else will follow 2-3 years later.

05-16-2013, 03:04 PM	#41 (permalink)
JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	O god don't even tell me Nissan can touch Honda or Toyota, that's where people go for economy cars, and true sports car guys get porshes not used nissans. The gtr is the only car worth buying.

05-16-2013, 03:16 PM	#44 (permalink)
seizer8 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Carol Stream IL Chicago Posts: 103 Drives: 2010 Z Touring AT Rep Power: 12	Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time. Mustang and Camaro are on every corner. The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough. Bucketlist2012 likes this. __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite, Touring; Custom Coated Sport Brakes; Z1 Drilled and Slotted Rotors; SS Brake Lines; Hood Struts; Rear LED Fog Light; GT-R Wheels; LED Interior Lighting Sunday Cars and Coffee

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