Bad sales new for z's

bdavis89

What the average consumer looks at:

200hp for $24k - FR-S/BRZ
300hp for $24k - V6 Mustang/Camaro
300hp for $32k - 370z
400hp for $32k - Mustang GT/Camaro

What's the best value for hp? Mustang/Camaro

I, like a lot of people here, picked the 370z for the more "sporty" feel, design, and because it was less common. However, the first thing people mention and compare is hp (rightly or wrongly) and that's just the way it is. There certainly is something crazy cool about having 400hp from a $32k car. I almost got one, but it didn't have the same steering "feel" as the Mustang (regardless of how well it actually handles, it doesn't FEEL like its handling well). Most roads are straight(ish), so people in the USA value power more.

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UNKNOWN_370

Amen, hallelujah, and preach on brother... People who buy Z's need to feel like they are one with their car. Being one with the Z helps overcome many of the Z's drawbacks.

But people are so media influenced that your chart is all they see.

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RonZwanson

That chart is pretty spot-on. I was considering a 2012 Mustang when I bought my Z, but I bought it for a lot of the same reasons everyone else did. You see a Mustang every three miles.

And somebody a couple posts up touched on why muscle cars are so popular in America. The majority of our roads are straight, wide, and cruise-friendly. While the ride of the Z may not bother a lot of people on this forum, myself included, it's not REALLY a cruise friendly car to most people. It's stiff, you sit low, there's no steering play, and it's loud.

I don't care about that stuff, so they weren't buying factors. I wanted the Z because it's not that common, and I live around some twisty back roads that are fun the zip around on. I also stayed away from the Mustang because used ham sandwiches have better resale value.

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UNKNOWN_370

The camaro is the best cruise car out there. Seats so comfy, they feel like sex. Loads of torque and immense steering feedback. Performance related downsides like weight,width and outward visibility don't make it ideal as a performance car. But it handles perfectly for the cruising street driver that loves to hit the throttle and have fun, or maybe go to the track for a few drag races...

The enthusiast can do more with a camaro than what i stated, but that's just where my experience with the Camaro took me.

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Nismodean

Here we go again, why on God's green earth do people always look at the Z and says she needs to go on a diet when in fact the domestic cars are the true fat asses here?!

2013 FORD MUSTANG GT
--------------------------------------Coupe------------------Convertible
HP/TQ--------------------------------420/390----------------420/390
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3,618-------------------3,735
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----3,675-------------------3,792
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2013 Chevrolet Camaro

HP/TQ--------------------------------426/420--------------400/410
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3849------------------N/A
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----N/A-------------------3902
Convertible weights not listed, but they're more than a coupe.
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2009-2013 Nissan 370Z

CURB WEIGHTS-------------370Z----------370Z Touring---NISMO 370Z
HP/TQ----------------------332/270-------332/270--------350/276
Manual Transmission---------3,245----------3,291----------3,314
Automatic Transmission------3,283----------3,329----------N/A

It seems rare these days that people have even heard of the concept of power to weight ratio. For that extra 68-88 horsepower you're gaining 289(touring)-362(non touring) lbs MINIMUM and up to 531(touring) - 604 (non touring) lbs! Is it just me or does a gain of less than 100 HP and a gain of up to a quarter of a ton not sound like a good deal?
You want a Mustang or a Camaro? Have at it, but you're going to literally have your cake and EAT IT too! FATTY!

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