True, the Mustang and the Camaro's are "Sport Coupes"...Not sports cars...

I am with you man! Well said. I am happy with my baby as well.. All the driver of the cars mentioned, stares and breaks their neck on me.. Priceless!


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Here we go again, why on God's green earth do people always look at the Z and says she needs to go on a diet when in fact the domestic cars are the true fat asses here?!

2013 FORD MUSTANG GT
--------------------------------------Coupe------------------Convertible
HP/TQ--------------------------------420/390----------------420/390
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3,618-------------------3,735
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----3,675-------------------3,792
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2013 Chevrolet Camaro

HP/TQ--------------------------------426/420--------------400/410
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3849------------------N/A
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----N/A-------------------3902
Convertible weights not listed, but they're more than a coupe.
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2009-2013 Nissan 370Z

CURB WEIGHTS-------------370Z----------370Z Touring---NISMO 370Z
HP/TQ----------------------332/270-------332/270--------350/276
Manual Transmission---------3,245----------3,291----------3,314
Automatic Transmission------3,283----------3,329----------N/A

It seems rare these days that people have even heard of the concept of power to weight ratio. For that extra 68-88 horsepower you're gaining 289(touring)-362(non touring) lbs MINIMUM and up to 531(touring) - 604 (non touring) lbs! Is it just me or does a gain of less than 100 HP and a gain of up to a quarter of a ton not sound like a good deal?
You want a Mustang or a Camaro? Have at it, but you're going to literally have your cake and EAT IT too! FATTY! :p

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

I hope your joking young blood. Even the 2013 V6 Mustangs are slower than 370z stock vs stock in straight line. The 2010 Mustang GT was slower than 370z. Idk what your talking about.

:tup: :tiphat: exactly why i have a sports CAR. :tup:

:tiphat: and you didnt even mention the best part IMHO:
Attachment 69163 it looks dang sexy at the starting line ;)

This is riddled with subjectivity and in some cases, Fanboyism. Actually, the G37x and GT-R are part-time AWD's that with some practice behind the wheel, you can actually drift them.

Nice interiors??? The FR-S/BRZ is a lot of things but interior?:roflpuke2:

I guess that's subjective to but if you're in a Z going to an FR-S? :ugh2:

I just don't get it...who thinks this looks good?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...516_181724.jpg

This outsells the Z because of the name and the price. End of story.

People will rice out anything, even Mustangs. We're not immune, either. Someone posted pics of his Z with a huge tramp stamp painted on the sides yesterday.

Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game.

When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated *that* often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year.

When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now?

It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum. :) If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.

Oh man, the number of Chargers on the road is rivaling the number of Mustangs this spring. I'm sick of seeing those bloated beasts. But you're correct. Unless it's a GT500 or a very specially-kept vehicle, none of them get second looks. Maybe a "turn-down-the-music-and-listen-to-the-v8," but that's it. I still admire the Camaro design though.

The Z, though, is a constant head-turner. I just need to figure out what exhaust to put on to get the sound in line with the looks. :tup:

dafuq? :icon14:

have u sat in one of those things?? we looked at one for my gf and she wouldn't even take it for a test drive after we sat in it. her words were.." disgusting and cheap". those cars do many things well, but having a nice interior isn't one of them.


but... to be fair, we should prolly stay away from that "true definition of a sports car" game. going by the 2 seats only rule, a 911 turbo, gtr, and m3 aren't "sports cars" lol. played this game with an m3 owner at work here the other day

Same exact experience with my wife except i test drove it anyway. I have a base+ sport. We got in the FR-S and she was like... "ugh ugh!!!" Right off the bat. I was definitely not impressed.

Then went over to a subie dealer to look at the premium BRZ. Leather in the BRZ has the same effect as lipstick on a pig. Doesn't make it very pretty. Of course, Subaru treated the BRZ like Gold and didn't allow me to test drive. Thats why Subie will never see my business.