Originally Posted by seizer8 (Post 2318831)

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2318879)

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2318895)

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2318895)

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Originally Posted by Chteelers (Post 2318912)

Off the top of my head, what the Z's main selling point could be: technology.

Put in heads-up display. Give it an awesome sound system with touch screen standard. Make the interior and exterior lighting more interesting. Hell, install front and rear video cameras that can be activated by steering wheel button to record some awesome driving. Press a button to share to Facebook via your bluetooth phone. Seriously. Nothing screams Japanese like some geeky technological stuff.

Surely this could be added for less cost than trying to make an engine that beats the Americans at their own game. Forget a 500hp twin turbo monster. The muscle cars will beat it the very next year; that's what they do. Give it a moderate HP bump to 360 hp, but make it techno COOL. A drivable iPad, that feel like Tron inside, bumping to dubstep.

Originally Posted by Chteelers (Post 2318924)

Integrated GoPros with an instant social media share button. Just realized how awesome that would be.

Originally Posted by VSS370z (Post 2318922)

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face! :tup:

Originally Posted by Tribalpinoy91 (Post 2318881)

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 2318938)

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 2318938)

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.