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I don't know what is wrong with a lot of people. The Nissan 370z outperforms 90% of cars in it's class. Stock for stock it looks way sportier and sexier than the STI, EVO, GTI, Mustang, Honda s2k, Rx-8, Rx-7, frs, brz. Yeah FRS, BRZ, and Mustang GT also look good, but don't have that special aggressiveness that the 370z offers. Also it is faster in a straight line than aolmost every car in it's class stock for stock. It handles better than most cars besides the FRS and BRZ. Also with the Z you get a great interior which you can't get with the STI or EVO. I can keep going. Z is quality for the price it sells at. The reason other cars are cheaper is because they don't come well equipped from the factory. Z already has nice exterior, interior, and great performance. Even with a few aftermarket mods to produce some more power and better handling it is a track beast. It can also drift and AWD cars can't.

FRS and BRZ are sexy and have nice interiors, but lack so much power.

I happen to like the 2009-2012 bumper.I think with the DIY daytime running lights mod it looks up to date. The 2013 reminds me of the 350z with the vertical DRL's

Faster than every car in its class in a straight line stock to stock?hmm lets see here in the affordable sports car category, (which the z is in btw) compare 2012 models across the board new including the z. mustang v6 camaro v6 are faster in a straight line if not the same.

"Check yo'self before you wreck yoself"

Look young buc, you must be out of your mind if you think a V6 Mustang or Camaro is in the same league. Everything new that is faster cost as much as the Z or more. +/-$1,000. Straight line speed doesn't stop at the 1/4 either. But say it does. It barely breaks 14's, traps 100 flat and weighs 3500 lbs. The Camaro's V6, even considering the LFX engine is no faster than the Mustang. To make matters worse for the Mustang it stops going faster at 115mph.

Z's generally run mid to low 13's and trap 103-105mph, automatics a tick or two faster. The Z stops faster, corners harder, and weighs 300-400lbs less. They are not in the same league as you say. A couple members have broken the 13 barrier with a stock Z, but they are freaks of nature and are omitted from my argument.

Ahhhh, may I answer with "All 3"!!! :tup:

Ok "old man" you are missing that they are in the "affordable sports cars"

No I think you miss his point...Your words were that the V6 Mustangs and V6 Camaros were faster...They are not....It will take a V8 Camaro or Mustang to run with the 370Z in the 1/4 mile and even then, they may lose to the 370Z..

I think you may be stretching the term "sports car" with those two.

Sports car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sports car - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Sports car | Define Sports car at Dictionary.com
Sportscar - definition of Sportscar by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Ford Mustang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (for kicks search sports car in there. It says sports-car-like... once)
Chevrolet Camaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nissan 370Z - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nissan Z-car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe you will understand the difference.

True, the Mustang and the Camaro's are "Sport Coupes"...Not sports cars...

I am with you man! Well said. I am happy with my baby as well.. All the driver of the cars mentioned, stares and breaks their neck on me.. Priceless!


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Here we go again, why on God's green earth do people always look at the Z and says she needs to go on a diet when in fact the domestic cars are the true fat asses here?!

2013 FORD MUSTANG GT
--------------------------------------Coupe------------------Convertible
HP/TQ--------------------------------420/390----------------420/390
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3,618-------------------3,735
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----3,675-------------------3,792
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2013 Chevrolet Camaro

HP/TQ--------------------------------426/420--------------400/410
Manual transmission Curb Weight-------3849------------------N/A
Automatic transmission Curb Weight----N/A-------------------3902
Convertible weights not listed, but they're more than a coupe.
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2009-2013 Nissan 370Z

CURB WEIGHTS-------------370Z----------370Z Touring---NISMO 370Z
HP/TQ----------------------332/270-------332/270--------350/276
Manual Transmission---------3,245----------3,291----------3,314
Automatic Transmission------3,283----------3,329----------N/A

It seems rare these days that people have even heard of the concept of power to weight ratio. For that extra 68-88 horsepower you're gaining 289(touring)-362(non touring) lbs MINIMUM and up to 531(touring) - 604 (non touring) lbs! Is it just me or does a gain of less than 100 HP and a gain of up to a quarter of a ton not sound like a good deal?
You want a Mustang or a Camaro? Have at it, but you're going to literally have your cake and EAT IT too! FATTY! :p

I generally agree, but... 400 lbs for 80 hp isn't all that bad a deal. That's still 5:1 you're tacking on, which is well under the total ratio of any of the cars in question. In acceleration terms, they have more than enough power advantage to take on the weight. It's a little more borderline when you throw in handling effects from the increased weight, but *still*, they're basically competitive with us.

I think the Z's better, but I define that in terms of how good it feels driving the car. It's reactive, it holds the road well, its weight distribution and suspension geometry and whatever else goes into all that just *feels nice*. And because it's a little underpowered, it's not as twitchy at the limit either. Driving a Camaro at the limit is a whole lot more work and worry. Someday 5-10 years down the road of my track experiences, I might be a good enough driver that I *want* an overpowered, twitchy car because it's faster in my hands and I know how to handle it. Right now, no way. And most consumers on the road: no way either.

I hope your joking young blood. Even the 2013 V6 Mustangs are slower than 370z stock vs stock in straight line. The 2010 Mustang GT was slower than 370z. Idk what your talking about.

:tup: :tiphat: exactly why i have a sports CAR. :tup:

:tiphat: and you didnt even mention the best part IMHO:
Attachment 69163 it looks dang sexy at the starting line ;)

This is riddled with subjectivity and in some cases, Fanboyism. Actually, the G37x and GT-R are part-time AWD's that with some practice behind the wheel, you can actually drift them.

Nice interiors??? The FR-S/BRZ is a lot of things but interior?:roflpuke2:

I guess that's subjective to but if you're in a Z going to an FR-S? :ugh2:

I just don't get it...who thinks this looks good?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a...516_181724.jpg

This outsells the Z because of the name and the price. End of story.

People will rice out anything, even Mustangs. We're not immune, either. Someone posted pics of his Z with a huge tramp stamp painted on the sides yesterday.

Now that a lot of 'sport coupes' have +400HP power plants, the Z needs to up its HP and get back in the game.

When you sell 50-100k units of a muscle car a year, and have trims in several segments (V6, V8, GT500...), you do end up with more revisions and releases, strategically staggered. The Z shouldn't get updated *that* often for a car that sells closer to 10k a year.

When it came out, it did have the killer feature everyone talked about: SynchroRev. Just keep in mind that was 4 years ago, and how many new cars copy it now?

It's strange talking up the Z on a Z forum. :) If I wanted another car, I'd have gotten another car. Considering the cost, I don't think anyone has "settled" for a Z or had no other options.

Oh man, the number of Chargers on the road is rivaling the number of Mustangs this spring. I'm sick of seeing those bloated beasts. But you're correct. Unless it's a GT500 or a very specially-kept vehicle, none of them get second looks. Maybe a "turn-down-the-music-and-listen-to-the-v8," but that's it. I still admire the Camaro design though.

The Z, though, is a constant head-turner. I just need to figure out what exhaust to put on to get the sound in line with the looks. :tup:

dafuq? :icon14:

have u sat in one of those things?? we looked at one for my gf and she wouldn't even take it for a test drive after we sat in it. her words were.." disgusting and cheap". those cars do many things well, but having a nice interior isn't one of them.


but... to be fair, we should prolly stay away from that "true definition of a sports car" game. going by the 2 seats only rule, a 911 turbo, gtr, and m3 aren't "sports cars" lol. played this game with an m3 owner at work here the other day

Same exact experience with my wife except i test drove it anyway. I have a base+ sport. We got in the FR-S and she was like... "ugh ugh!!!" Right off the bat. I was definitely not impressed.

Then went over to a subie dealer to look at the premium BRZ. Leather in the BRZ has the same effect as lipstick on a pig. Doesn't make it very pretty. Of course, Subaru treated the BRZ like Gold and didn't allow me to test drive. Thats why Subie will never see my business.

Bingo! Headshot!:)




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you just HAD to take a swipe at subaru, didn't you

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The Z is a car that, in a better economy, would have sold like hot cakes. It's a jack-of-all-trades vehicle with a few flaws (again, like every other car out there). I'm not sure I agree fully with 'connected with the road', but it's definitely not a boat like a domestic vehicle. I guess for its weight and "class", it's pretty good road feel.

What the hell was the original argument here anyway...? Everybody makes a choice because it's what they want. I couldn't give two sh*ts what other people think about what I drive.

You can't drift in an AWD car man lol. You can powerslide all you want in a awd, but don't call it drifting lol.

NO! NO! NO! It looks sexy ANY time! :happydance:

You're also comparing the 2003 economy with the 2013 economy, which has TONS of reasons why the 350Z sold so well.

:tiphat: ;) true dat :tup:

Not sure why everyone is whining about the z's weight, at 3,232 pounds its right their with corvette? Wow actually a little lighter haha

3,298 pounds Corvette
3780 lbs Camaro
V6 coupe mustang 3,350 lb

For the same money as the Z you do get the V8 Mustang or Camaro though. The Z looks better in allot of ways though

The Z is a well rounded car with great looks, Nissan needs to keep this approach but had a new sport trim level as an option. Something like the Nismo but 450+hp (compared to sport ~335hp) and a little more unique look (body kit, special paint color, headlight mod) something that stands out. Most manufactures have this look at base mustang to GT, Porsche boxster/S/Gt etc...that's what they are missing with the Z something to push them from the good well round sports car to the damn that's a sports car....if they want to keep this pricing they need to eat the mustang gt and all else in the ~450hp range but keep the look and feel of the Z.

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I like the way it looks and the fun that I have driving it. The most fun I have had in a moving car.

Probably not a good value compared to some other sports cars but the only other ones that had that emotional appeal for me were much more expensive.

I bought it because it makes me happy. Ambivalence about the looks of the running lights, the stiff ride, and the noise has been replaced by affection and I now only notice the fun. She looks better every day.

I don't know why they don't sell more, but then I don't drink the same wine, read the same books, or listen to the same music as most people so that isn't surprising. Nissans problem. I think it is likely a price issue. I also think that they are losing sales to the American muscle cars because of their appeal to nostalgia. I wonder if that isn't a marketing failure given the deep history. Hard to get nostalgic about the 70's though, even if you did graduate high school then.