O god don't even tell me Nissan can touch Honda or Toyota, that's where people go for economy cars, and true sports car guys get porshes not used nissans. The gtr is the only car worth buying.

I like how this thread is more about statistics and facts instead of car bashings.

But in the end, i think most Z owners know about the flaws the car have, the people that are not happy with it already moved on.

There is no doubt that there are cars that are more of a bang for the buck compare to the Z, and i have driven a lot of other luxury sports cars in the past, and they made me appreciate the Z's "roughness" more. Luxury sports cars are too tamed for my personal taste, and i find the comfort aspect of it boring..

Lastly, muscle cars are never gonna be appealing to me, not that theres anything bad about them, they just dont offer what i want.









Besides, most girls know nothing about car, th shape of the Z attracts more women!

Also a given is that the 370 is entering its sixth model year for 2014. And with a slight change in the fascia and maybe a tweaked suspension there really isn't any reason Nissan couldn't develop something else to be released for the 2014 model year. I've heard about the mini-Z. But I think it'll be a flop. The FRS is simply dominating the market and every time I see one I'm like, oooohhhh I want one! And then I realize they're simply the new Civic of the '90s and I once again realize that I drive a vehicle not many see everyday, if at all.

And to add on to that, I've seen only four 370s since I bought mine that were actually on the road. This discounts car shows and the like but even there I was one of two.

Nissan needs to seriously question their tactics and they need something new, smaller and lighter and something that will be a direct competitor of the FRS and also in that price category. It isn't exactly difficult to do. Toyota is doing it now and they are making money hand over fist.

But again, at six years? I'm not sure I've ever heard of a manufacturer going six years on a particular model without a major change or re-fresh. LED DRLs are not a major re-fresh.

Anyhow, if the Supra rumors are true and if it winds up being something really awesome and special I will buy one regardless of what Nissan attempts to do. They are simply proving themselves to be lazy. I don't like lazy. I like innovation. That is why I still respect and love the FRS even though I MAY never own one. My previous car lived in the +4k range just to get any enjoyment. Kind of sick of it.

Slower or not, the Z is a beautiful car, better looking by far than the 350z. Not to mention the WRX which is ugly. The Corvette, nice car, maybe next time.
Mustang and Camaro are on every corner.

The Z is rarer, and albeit not so much faster, but plenty fast enough.

American cars run long model years. Closer to a decade. There refreshes happen 5 and 6 years in. They usually add more power though. But the Z will be redesigned completely 2015/16 model so.... you heard kinda wrong.

dude.... wtf are u talking about

yea honda MADE good sports cars. toyota MADE a good sports car. but guess what?? who's still making sports cars (nissan). who's lot do u fall asleep in immediately when u drive thru it (honda and yoter). honda and toyota have chosen a completely different path. they are in it to sell economy cars and make ridiculous profits. hell, i feel like toyota made the frs/brz solely to get critics of their backs. and u say IF honda made a new sports car or IF toyota made a sports car... sorry dude, but "if's" don't cut it. if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses when they hopped... get my drift..


and i like how u say the gtr is the only car worth buying. thats like saying, well living in the midwest is fine, but if u really cared u would live in the hamptons. I cant afford a $100k gtr!

same logic u used with the porsches. they are GREAT cars. but the only 911 u can get in for the same price as a z is like 2003 996 or u could get a higher mileage cayman s. i should tell all the true sports car guys out there in z06's or m3's that they are ONLY allowed in 911's per your advise.

so my question is, if the gtr is the only car worth buying... why are u sitting here in a z...?

Dont ask he will only be further confused :bowrofl:

Solution? Offer two engines like the Mustang.

$26K 300 hp, 3.0L high revving inline-4, 26 mpg, 3000 lbs
$34K 425 hp, 3.7L turbo-V6, 18mpg, 3300 lbs

The first model would steal FRS buyers who want more power, and offer an alternative to the Mustang V6 buyers. The second model competes directly with the Mustang GT, and might steal a few Vette buyers.

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Nissan doesn't have generic materials in there cars so $26k is a no go. I see about $31k for a turbo 3.0 and about $40k for a turbo Z that would more rival the corvette as did with the Z32. These would be starting prices, and turbo's would make them cheap to mod so people would be willing to spend more. But knowing Nissan. It's more realistic to have one NA and one FI. I don't see two FI's at all. If anything, its one turbo and one NA hybrid.

I live in a small community north of Orlando and at a red light the other day there were 6 mustangs within 1000 feet of me, and those were the ones I could SEE.
I'd rather have a Z, and that's that.

don't you know the gtr is the only car worth buying tho... :roflpuke2:

Well, going out on a limb here, I think the GTR isn't that, ahem, attractive. But I can appreciate it for it's raw power and coolness.

Wait, which is it? If the Gt-R is the only car worth buying??? Then how can a real enthusiast opt for Porsche?:confused: I'm so confused. Will Porsche just give me a car if I buy a Gt-R??? Or do i buy a GT-R and steal a porsche? :roflpuke2:

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Same here in Iowa. Tons of rundown and riced-out mustangs around here. Lately I've seen more challengers and chargers pop up as well. You don't even get a second look if you drive one because they're so common. There are literally grandmas around here that drive them. To me it seems they're only popular because they're so much cheaper and easier to come by than the Z. Every once in a while I will see a new Mustang that looks nice, but IMO they are cheapened by the huge number of junky old ones on the road.

I think we should all just be happy with our cars and stop worrying about sales numbers. The 370Z was one of the best sports car in its price range when it was announced in 2008. It was better handler and faster than the Mustang, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. However, those cars have all had significant redesigns while Nissan did their mid cycle refresh (2013). It might not be best, slower than a mustang GT, and worse handling than FRS/BRZ. But it's still a good car.

And IMO it still looks fantastic and has aged really well, compared to the 350Z after 5/6 years.

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

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The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me.

The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me :)

This is important. The 370Z lacks a killer-app, a chart-topping figure that gets people talking. Don't get me wrong, I love my Z because its 9/10s as good as the other sports cars in every category, but it doesn't beat them in any category either. No trump card. What are the big selling points for the other cars?

Mustang & Camaro: Highest horsepower.
FRS & Miata: Cost.
WRX & EVO: All wheel drive.
Boxster: Luxury, and handling.
Corvette: Value. Porsche performance that normal people can afford.

The Z is 2nd or 3rd place in each of those categories, so it represents (for us) the best overall package, but compromise doesn't shout loud in the press.

I still hold that there is no better price/performance package than the 370Z. I don't care about a drag strip and I do care about road course performance. What we have is a car than hangs with Porsches for well less than half of the price.

Nissan had the right idea with this marketing and it is still true.

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See also: Top Gear's 370Z vs Z4 conclusion

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I agree with everything you said. But your last sentence hits home.

the z isn't GREAT at anything.... its good at everything.

Off the top of my head, what the Z's main selling point could be: technology.

Put in heads-up display. Give it an awesome sound system with touch screen standard. Make the interior and exterior lighting more interesting. Hell, install front and rear video cameras that can be activated by steering wheel button to record some awesome driving. Press a button to share to Facebook via your bluetooth phone. Seriously. Nothing screams Japanese like some geeky technological stuff.

Surely this could be added for less cost than trying to make an engine that beats the Americans at their own game. Forget a 500hp twin turbo monster. The muscle cars will beat it the very next year; that's what they do. Give it a moderate HP bump to 360 hp, but make it techno COOL. A drivable iPad, that feel like Tron inside, bumping to dubstep.

Its great at one thing. Making you feel connected to the car and road.

Not true. 370Z is great at making me happy. Tired of whiners

I live in Puerto Rico and is the same thing,i see Mustangs and Camaros every freaking day but i can go without seeing another 370z for weeks even 350z's are rare here. 3 years owning a 370z and it still put a smile on my face! :tup:

Integrated GoPros with an instant social media share button. Just realized how awesome that would be.

if my state wont let me talk on a cell phone while driving, im gonna guess there may be some red tape involved with this much tech.

Z's in Puerto Rico are like $53k and unreachable to 90% of the natives... They are priced to sell to corporate raiders living on the island, exploiting it.

Beaten to death here on this forum. Let's please not go here again.

I have had a Gt-r (although it was an R-32), 911c2, Evo IX, e36m3 and an e46M3 and my 13 Z is my second favorite car out of those. It makes up everywhere where others were lacking, and where it lacks, it makes up in beauty! I would not trade it in for any other car out there. Well, none that I can afford anyways.....

I gotta admit I think the LED bumpers look pretty cool. It's pushing more towards the euro look though (audi, mercedes), so I can see how it's frowned upon.

I didn't like it either when it first came out but after seeing a few 13s in person I changed my mind and I now like the look of the led daytime running lights( although I've noticed more and more cars on the road with led running lights- seems like its become a fad)

You also must understand this at a macroeconomic level..People are starting to increase their consumption, but they are consuming more carefully. First thing that can go in life are luxuries, a car with two doors, two seats, RWD layout, low ride height etc. this all of a sudden doesn't make as much sense as it did 10 years ago. Now compared to other sportscars, say the FRS, its cheaper rides higher and has a back seat. Same can be said with the mustang and camaro g37 etc. Sure still a market for fast cars but ones for year round also daily use, comes to mind the charger now with AWD for example.

THanks for posting JungleZ's dribble...Since I have him on my ignore list ,for obvious reasons, it was nice to see why I ignore him....:tup:

Its like the 350z guys hating on the 370z. People just don't like to see their car being upgraded and knowing they still have the older model. The '13 front bumper looks 10x better than the old one, you have to see it in person to appreciate it.

I'm going to stop here. But its irrelevant to me since I'm going Amuse anyway.

Pffftttt. Very small change. It's still a very good looking sexy vehicle:tup:

I too am partial to the fangs but that doesnt exclude the '13 from being great looking too...which do you prefer: blonde, brunette or redhead. Yeah. Same thing :tup: ;)

:tup: and ^^^^ is correct...for sure, markets fluctuate with economics:tup: