Is the 370Z a very light car?

Scribe · 07-23-2009, 02:30 PM

I just wanted to provide our fellow member armensti a place to defend his stating that the 370Z is a very light car instead of jacking the GReddy thread.

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Originally Posted by armensti

the car is very light and small so i don't need 600hp. i will be happy with 400-450 hp supercharged 370z. and besides the 370z needs more low end torque not top end.

tuner companies should invest their money and time into building a supercharger kit instead of a tt kit. I mean we are the people who own the car and their building a kit to sell to us so they should build something that we want, not the other way around.

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Originally Posted by nightfire

well greddy knew they had a grand slam with the 350Z TT kit so they would just assume the same for the 370Z. And yes the Z is light but I would by no means call it very light.

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Originally Posted by in.the.dark

Exactly, since when is 3300+ lbs light?

I'm happy to see that they are going with the 20G turbos since I think even the GT28 based systems are overkill for what is essentially a 1.85 liter, three cylinder turbo system. Hell, two Mitsu EVO III 16G's (or equivalent) would probably produce crazy fast spools and not run out of breath on the high end.

Don't make me get the compressor maps!

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Originally Posted by armensti

Nissan GT-R Curb weight 3,814lbs(nissan site)
Mitsubishi Evo X Curb weight 3595 (i might be few lbs off)
BMW m3 e90 Coupe Unladen weight 3704 lbs (got it from bmw site)
BMW 335i Unladen weight 3571lbs (got it from bmw site)
BMW 135i Unladen - Manual Transmission 3373 lbs (got it from bmw site)
G37 S 6 speed Manual Curb weight 3,662 lbs(got it from infinity site)
Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track 3389 lbs
Chevy Camaro SS 2SS 3849 lbs
Ford Mustang Gt 3534 lbs. (might be a little off)
(to be fair i included a two seater)
BMW z4 sDrive35i Unladen weight 3450lbs

Nissan 370z base 6speed MT Curb weight 3,232lbs
370z TOURING 6speed MT Curb weight 3,278 lbs

so when you do the math Mr Genius the 370z is lighter then all of its competitors. Its not a s2000 but its also not a go cart either or a mini so im pretty happy with the weight of the car.

by the way you should get out the dark sometimes and go to school maybe learn some math. That might be too much for you at first so lets start now. ill be teaching you simple math so u know that a 370z is much lighter then all those cars listed above.

1+1=2
2+2=4
2-2=0

i think class is over for today.

and by the way only the nismo 370z is 3300lbs the touring and the base are lighter

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Originally Posted by in.the.dark

Wow. You are missing the entire point. Not to mention going overboard and being quite rude. This forum is pretty laid back, so grab a beer and chill.

The 370Z still isn't light, and listing a bunch of heavy cars doesn't make it light either, save for relative comparison to those cars. It's not about math, it's about weight.

Now maybe you just aren't aware of what is considered normal weight. It's fine. I've owned quite a few cars and have good points of reference. For the industry, three thousand pounds is considered a normal sized car. The majority of cars are on the big side. Which means that the Z probably finds itself closer to the average size of cars that are much larger. No one would argue that any of those cars you listed aren't heavy (except again, perhaps relative to other cars you listed). Also, no one would argue that the Corvette is light, much less VERY light as you said the Z is and the Vette is 100 lbs lighter than the Z.

Your numbers are close, but still a little low. The 370Z Touring/Manual has an actual curb weight closer to 3330 lbs. Want proof? Forged Performance weighed their car on corner scales with nearly a full tank of gas (which is how you are supposed to measure curb weight in the States) and got 3323 lbs. Top off the tank and see where she lands (hint: it's more than 3323).

Now, this thread isn't about weight. If you want to continue the discussion of the 370Z's weight, please feel free to start a new thread and PM me to take part.

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As for the 20G, I had mine on a 2.3L stroker on my 97 Eclipse GSX. That thing spooled very quickly and never ran out of steam. I ran it at 21psi on 93 octane here. It's kind of conservative, but I prefer to overbuild and underrun in order to add longevity.

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Originally Posted by armensti

show me another car thats close to the price range of the z with the same power but lighter and ill consider the z not be a very light car.

im not talking about a Porsche which is 20k above the z price.

If we payed 60k+ for the z im sure it would be within 2900-3000lb

So here we are.

Any car, or in this case specifically the 370z isn't to be considered 'very light' because cars around the same price are heavier.

nightfire · 07-23-2009, 02:34 PM

I said it was a light car, just not a VERY light car. I think everyone has to just relax a little. This really isn't that big of a deal..

theDreamer · 07-23-2009, 02:36 PM

Courtesy of Forge Performance, stock base 370z with manual.

nogoodname · 07-23-2009, 02:39 PM

Let's just call it not light and not heavy.

theDreamer · 07-23-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

Let's just call it not light and not heavy.

You have your muscle cars who are above 3500 and then you have S200 and similar who are in the 2800. The Z is the middle of the road, solid power but needed weight to help balance the car.

bboypuertoroc · 07-23-2009, 02:52 PM

My Evo weighs 3190 with almost a full tank and no weight reduction.

350Zs of varying years, models and mods weighed in anywhere from just under 3100 all the way up to 3800+ for a go/show convertible. The vast majority came in around the weight of my Evo.

All the weighing I'm talking about took place at Maryland Int'l Raceway back in early 2006.

The 370Z weighs more, so therefore is heavy in comparison to it's former self.

tooohip · 07-23-2009, 02:55 PM

who let the kiddies into this forum?

m4a1mustang · 07-23-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tooohip

who let the kiddies into this forum?

nogoodname · 07-23-2009, 03:02 PM

If you need something light weight, bicycles are pretty light these days.

Endgame · 07-23-2009, 03:16 PM

Sigh... The BMW E92 M3 is about 200 pounds heavier than the E46 M3, but it still does quite well for itself. The GTR even comes in at 3800 pounds. The Evo X is what... 3500 pounds??

As said earlier, the weight balances the car. The Z, with it's weight, performs at an extremly high level compared to its competitors. When you do drop the weight on the Z some, even 50 pounds, it will perform that much better.

That said, when matched against the Z's CURRENT competitors, it is a 'light' car. The RX8 and the S2k are still lighter, but the Camaro, Stang, Genesis, and 135i all weight a good deal more.

Why don't we make this the goal: Gain at least, if not more, HP than the Nismo Z, but instead of GAINING weight, drop some off! Now that would be a fun car!

:end rant/

bboypuertoroc · 07-23-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

If you need something light weight, bicycles are pretty light these days.

So are skateboards...

wstar · 07-23-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

Why don't we make this the goal: Gain at least, if not more, HP than the Nismo Z, but instead of GAINING weight, drop some off! Now that would be a fun car!

That goal was achieved months ago by several forum members I think

whoady4shoady · 07-23-2009, 03:57 PM

I truly believe the 370 hits the sweet spot weight wise. I guess thats just me though.

dszombiex · 07-23-2009, 04:33 PM

You guys have it all wrong! The 370z is the lightest car the human race has ever built!!11

cow · 07-23-2009, 04:52 PM

07-23-2009, 02:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Courtesy of Forge Performance, stock base 370z with manual. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

07-23-2009, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
bboypuertoroc Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Get out my way pimpin, HI Posts: 419 Drives: '06 Evo IX GSR Rep Power: 388	My Evo weighs 3190 with almost a full tank and no weight reduction. 350Zs of varying years, models and mods weighed in anywhere from just under 3100 all the way up to 3800+ for a go/show convertible. The vast majority came in around the weight of my Evo. All the weighing I'm talking about took place at Maryland Int'l Raceway back in early 2006. The 370Z weighs more, so therefore is heavy in comparison to it's former self. __________________ Evo IX GSR - FPBlack, 30psi... 10's on pump? Let's find out...

07-23-2009, 02:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
tooohip A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 1,626 Drives: 09 370z CY To/Sp Rep Power: 270	who let the kiddies into this forum? __________________ Lance KW Variant 3 Coilovers \| Stillen Sways \| Stillen Gen III Intake \| AAM HFC \| AAM True Dual CBE \| AAM Comp Oil Cooler \| Hawk HPS Pads \| Volk TE-37 \| Hoser Keg Tap

07-23-2009, 03:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
whoady4shoady A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,088 Drives: 09 Silver Nismo Rep Power: 18	I truly believe the 370 hits the sweet spot weight wise. I guess thats just me though. biggercross1 likes this.

07-23-2009, 04:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
cow Lounge Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 3,441 Drives: Toyota Avalon Rep Power: 268	__________________ I never bought a 370Z

07-23-2009, 02:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
nightfire Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 178 Drives: Mk IV Jetta turbo Rep Power: 267	I said it was a light car, just not a VERY light car. I think everyone has to just relax a little. This really isn't that big of a deal..

07-23-2009, 02:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	Let's just call it not light and not heavy.

07-23-2009, 03:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	If you need something light weight, bicycles are pretty light these days.

07-23-2009, 03:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	Sigh... The BMW E92 M3 is about 200 pounds heavier than the E46 M3, but it still does quite well for itself. The GTR even comes in at 3800 pounds. The Evo X is what... 3500 pounds?? As said earlier, the weight balances the car. The Z, with it's weight, performs at an extremly high level compared to its competitors. When you do drop the weight on the Z some, even 50 pounds, it will perform that much better. That said, when matched against the Z's CURRENT competitors, it is a 'light' car. The RX8 and the S2k are still lighter, but the Camaro, Stang, Genesis, and 135i all weight a good deal more. Why don't we make this the goal: Gain at least, if not more, HP than the Nismo Z, but instead of GAINING weight, drop some off! Now that would be a fun car! :end rant/

07-23-2009, 04:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
dszombiex Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 230 Drives: 09 370z MB 7AT Rep Power: 374	You guys have it all wrong! The 370z is the lightest car the human race has ever built!!11

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