Is the Z NOT a tuner friendly car?

BigT · 04-22-2013, 11:39 AM

Sorry to bring this topic up, but i've been thinking about it a lot lately and its kind of pissing me off. I really love my car and I want it to be the best. BUT, our cars are slow. I'm not talking about stock for stock, as it is a decent contender stock (+oil cooler?), but rather as a performance car. I'm realizing more and more that the Z is more of a GT car than a sports car. Its smooth, looks sexy, and is down right the biggest attention getter on the road, this side of a supercar. But, who wants a stock car?

The manual trans for example, is smooth, but quirky and cannot be shifted fast. And, don't get me started on the clutch hydraulic system. SRM is a joy, but downshifting is only a part of the puzzle. The Auto guys seem to do well, if thats your thing. But, it will never be like a superior twin clutch trans and it will blow if you give it more than NA power.

The VVEL, oh the VVEL. This is the best and worst part of this car. GREAT, if you want to keep a stock car. Real shitty from a tuner stand point. I hope Ecutek holds true to its control. Otherwise, we will all put down less power with FI than the HR motors unless we can figure something out.

I'm just ranting at this point. There is a lot I can say, but it might not be worth it. Some can say to sell the car and get something else, but I cant. There is something about this car. Its such a joy. I fills a great void considering I can't afford a porsche or the like. HOWEVER, it is not a tuner car at all. Evo's, Sti's, and even the BRZ/FRS are leaps and beyonds ahead of the Z in that aspect. I guess, i'm just pissed because I realize that now.

Sorry for the rant.

theDreamer · 04-22-2013, 11:48 AM

kenchan · 04-22-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

iggylist updated.

mike12002us · 04-22-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Sorry to bring this topic up, but i've been thinking about it a lot lately and its kind of pissing me off. I really love my car and I want it to be the best. BUT, our cars are slow. I'm not talking about stock for stock, as it is a decent contender stock (+oil cooler?), but rather as a performance car. I'm realizing more and more that the Z is more of a GT car than a sports car. Its smooth, looks sexy, and is down right the biggest attention getter on the road, this side of a supercar. But, who wants a stock car?

The manual trans for example, is smooth, but quirky and cannot be shifted fast. And, don't get me started on the clutch hydraulic system. SRM is a joy, but downshifting is only a part of the puzzle. The Auto guys seem to do well, if thats your thing. But, it will never be like a superior twin clutch trans and it will blow if you give it more than NA power.

The VVEL, oh the VVEL. This is the best and worst part of this car. GREAT, if you want to keep a stock car. Real shitty from a tuner stand point. I hope Ecutek holds true to its control. Otherwise, we will all put down less power with FI than the HR motors unless we can figure something out.

I'm just ranting at this point. There is a lot I can say, but it might not be worth it. Some can say to sell the car and get something else, but I cant. There is something about this car. Its such a joy. I fills a great void considering I can't afford a porsche or the like. HOWEVER, it is not a tuner car at all. Evo's, Sti's, and even the BRZ/FRS are leaps and beyonds ahead of the Z in that aspect. I guess, i'm just pissed because I realize that now.

Sorry for the rant.

Any car can be tuned, it just depends on what your looking to get out of it. If you just want to make our the z a little quicker it actually responds really well to basic bolt ons 35-55 whp gains. If your looking for a 700 hp beast then your going to have to pay, just like every other car out there. My buddy has a STI and has done all the bolt ons and its not all that fast still. If he wants to move up he has to do turbo upgrades which he priced to be $5000+. If we want a FI set up we are looking at 5000+ even though I do look for cheaper deals all the time, hence my post on ebay turbos (not worth it btw). so it really does even out. Our cars are perfect for the average person. If you want a 500 hp car off the lot the corvette would be the best option IMO.

Zythaxus · 04-22-2013, 11:56 AM

BigT · 04-22-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

iggylist updated.

Does iggylist mean ignore list? Did my post offend you?

BigT · 04-22-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I take it you disagree?

BigT · 04-22-2013, 12:11 PM

I'm not sure why all the negativity to my post. Did I offend anyone by belittling the Z? Listen, i've owned a few tuner cars. I'm not new to the game. But, the Z sucks as a tuner car. I think my issue is with my self really. Maybe i'm just not old enough yet to respect a car like the Z.

Mitco39 · 04-22-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

Otherwise, we will all put down less power with FI than the HR motors unless we can figure something out.

uhhhhh?

Find me a HR making this on pump gas.

Galeforces Build.

BigT · 04-22-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39

uhhhhh?

Find me a HR making this on pump gas.

Galeforces Build.

And you think a dyno graph is the end to all? I didn't know this was a forum of supra owners. No offence to GaleForce. I don't know him and those are stout figures. But, the picture is in no way reference to the performance of his car. Go talk to guys like SPOHN and MIKE and you'll know what I mean.

theDreamer · 04-22-2013, 12:15 PM

BigT · 04-22-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

More pictures and no discussion.

Don't you have hood dampers to install or something?

Mt Tam I am · 04-22-2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigT

Sorry to bring this topic up, but i've been thinking about it a lot lately and its kind of pissing me off. I really love my car and I want it to be the best. BUT, our cars are slow. I'm not talking about stock for stock, as it is a decent contender stock (+oil cooler?), but rather as a performance car. I'm realizing more and more that the Z is more of a GT car than a sports car. Its smooth, looks sexy, and is down right the biggest attention getter on the road, this side of a supercar. But, who wants a stock car?

The manual trans for example, is smooth, but quirky and cannot be shifted fast. And, don't get me started on the clutch hydraulic system. SRM is a joy, but downshifting is only a part of the puzzle. The Auto guys seem to do well, if thats your thing. But, it will never be like a superior twin clutch trans and it will blow if you give it more than NA power.

The VVEL, oh the VVEL. This is the best and worst part of this car. GREAT, if you want to keep a stock car. Real shitty from a tuner stand point. I hope Ecutek holds true to its control. Otherwise, we will all put down less power with FI than the HR motors unless we can figure something out.

I'm just ranting at this point. There is a lot I can say, but it might not be worth it. Some can say to sell the car and get something else, but I cant. There is something about this car. Its such a joy. I fills a great void considering I can't afford a porsche or the like. HOWEVER, it is not a tuner car at all. Evo's, Sti's, and even the BRZ/FRS are leaps and beyonds ahead of the Z in that aspect. I guess, i'm just pissed because I realize that now.

Sorry for the rant.

But, who wants a stock car? Clearly not you. You need a custom car, for which you will pay extra for, but can not afford. Then you rant.

Mitco39 · 04-22-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

And you think a dyno graph is the end to all? I didn't know this was a forum of supra owners. No offence to GaleForce. I don't know him and those are stout figures. But, the picture is in no way reference to the performance of his car. Go talk to guys like SPOHN and MIKE and you'll know what I mean.

What would rather see? A youtube video of his car laying smack to some other cars on roads full of traffic? Take a look at the FI build 1/4 mile times threads. If you dont want to believe dyno numbers you cannot argue with track times.

I think a picture of a reputable tuning company is a very good tell tale sign of what the car can do.

theDreamer · 04-22-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT

More pictures and no discussion.

Don't you have hood dampers to install or something?

04-22-2013, 11:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
BigT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 469 Drives: 98 2g DSM Rep Power: 13	Is the Z NOT a tuner friendly car? Sorry to bring this topic up, but i've been thinking about it a lot lately and its kind of pissing me off. I really love my car and I want it to be the best. BUT, our cars are slow. I'm not talking about stock for stock, as it is a decent contender stock (+oil cooler?), but rather as a performance car. I'm realizing more and more that the Z is more of a GT car than a sports car. Its smooth, looks sexy, and is down right the biggest attention getter on the road, this side of a supercar. But, who wants a stock car? The manual trans for example, is smooth, but quirky and cannot be shifted fast. And, don't get me started on the clutch hydraulic system. SRM is a joy, but downshifting is only a part of the puzzle. The Auto guys seem to do well, if thats your thing. But, it will never be like a superior twin clutch trans and it will blow if you give it more than NA power. The VVEL, oh the VVEL. This is the best and worst part of this car. GREAT, if you want to keep a stock car. Real shitty from a tuner stand point. I hope Ecutek holds true to its control. Otherwise, we will all put down less power with FI than the HR motors unless we can figure something out. I'm just ranting at this point. There is a lot I can say, but it might not be worth it. Some can say to sell the car and get something else, but I cant. There is something about this car. Its such a joy. I fills a great void considering I can't afford a porsche or the like. HOWEVER, it is not a tuner car at all. Evo's, Sti's, and even the BRZ/FRS are leaps and beyonds ahead of the Z in that aspect. I guess, i'm just pissed because I realize that now. Sorry for the rant.

04-22-2013, 11:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
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04-22-2013, 12:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
BigT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 469 Drives: 98 2g DSM Rep Power: 13	I'm not sure why all the negativity to my post. Did I offend anyone by belittling the Z? Listen, i've owned a few tuner cars. I'm not new to the game. But, the Z sucks as a tuner car. I think my issue is with my self really. Maybe i'm just not old enough yet to respect a car like the Z.