Nismo = cheese-mo

chubbs · 07-21-2009, 02:34 AM

The 'Emperor's new clothes' have been well and truly ripped off in this thread, haven't they?

Must say that I agree with the OP ...Nismo 370z - It ain't worf it!

...still love my Nismo LMGT4's though

SnakeBitten · 07-21-2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

poeple always gets defensive over something that going to be better than their car. it happened between the 350z to 350z nismo, 350z to 370z, and now its happening to the 370z with the nismo version

This discussion aint about that. This is the second post thats trying to hint at hate etc. This is more about disappointment than hate. I guess nowadays you have to like and agree with everything or else you are a hater

Most of us just wanted something more. How can you blame us after 2 tests showing the 370 Nismo Z isnt any faster than the regular Z and Nissan didnt give it an oil cooler at that. Will wait for further testing to be fair but so far it doesnt look like money well spent from a performance to dollar standpoint. Thats basically the ax I have to grind with Nissan. The car deserved to be more than it is imho. This isnt a knock at anyone that has purchased one at all. Congrats. Im just voicing my opinion NOT hate.

xfrgtr · 07-21-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

poeple always gets defensive over something that going to be better than their car. it happened between the 350z to 350z nismo, 350z to 370z, and now its happening to the 370z with the nismo version

juan05 · 07-21-2009, 05:56 PM

imo i think is a great car. yes they did not add an cooler. not everyone who gets the nismo is going to track it. in looks i think is great. there is not 1 thing i dont like.

antennahead · 07-21-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

This discussion aint about that. This is the second post thats trying to hint at hate etc. This is more about disappointment than hate. I guess nowadays you have to like and agree with everything or else you are a hater

Most of us just wanted something more. How can you blame us after 2 tests showing the 370 Nismo Z isnt any faster than the regular Z and Nissan didnt give it an oil cooler at that. Will wait for further testing to be fair but so far it doesnt look like money well spent from a performance to dollar standpoint. Thats basically the ax I have to grind with Nissan. The car deserved to be more than it is imho. This isnt a knock at anyone that has purchased one at all. Congrats. Im just voicing my opinion NOT hate.

I don't hate the Nismo, I just agree with most of the posters here that the additional money doesn't justify what you get...... our opinion, not meant to dis anybody that buys the car. I actually like the wheels and front bumper, don't care for the rear spoiler..... but styling is very subjective.

It was mentioned about the "sum of the parts working together in harmony", to create the level of performance the Nismo attains. This is certainly true, however, most of the members here are seasoned car enthusiasts, and IMO, are pretty capable of picking aftermarket suspension parts along with HFC, exhaust, intakes, etc, that will work together very well. There are some impressive "tuners' on this site that I learn a lot from. I am sure the Nismo fills a niche however for those that don't do much aftermarket work, nor care to come to a great place like this to learn.

John

mattjk · 07-23-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

I can't get over this so I figured I'd post my opinion and see what you guys think. Four months ago when I bought my 370Z, I was an excited 'convert' from having owned a number of Audis.

With my old Audis, I was truly an Audi enthusiast. I drooled over the S and RS variations of the cars, attended Audi driving schools, etc etc. I was loyal and loved the sportier versions offered by the S and RS models. Audi had and still has something special in their 'sporty racing' versions that is sexy and desirable.

Now I'm a Nissan owner and I love my new Z. However, out comes the Nismo 370Z and all I do is find myself cringing at everything Nismo represents. First, the 'sportier' model looks arguably ridiculous from some or many angles. Even something as simple as more aggressive styling is done with numerous stepoffs and contours that don't compliment each other. To make matters worse, the bumpers look like plastic rather than smooth, sleek and hi-tech. Second, the Nismo really offers nothing that's more desirable. If Audi put out a Nismo 370Z, it would sport a twin-turbo or V8 upgrade. Why isn't our Nismo sporting 400+hp? BMW and Mercedes also know the recipe with their M and AMG versions. People would laugh at Audi if the RS4 just had new front and rear bumpers, some RS4 stitching and a new exhaust.

In short, I'm sorry to say that anything Nismo makes my stomach crawl. The last thing I'd want on my car is anything that actually says "Nismo". For me, Nismo is just Cheese-mo. What do you guys think?

I have to agree, 100%. It is a joke IMO. Buy a base model and with the 10k you save, you can get everything better.

spearfish25 · 07-23-2009, 08:52 PM

Given that I'm the OP, I might as well add that I'm far from jealous of a Nismo 370Z in its current form. Just today I found myself day dreaming again of a better Nismo sporting 400hp and quad exhausts like a porsche turbo (how cool would that look?). Something you look at and think "Hot damn that's sweet." To me, the current Nismo looks nothing more than a base 370Z that a teenager got his hands on and bought some mods from Pep Boy's.

Smallywood · 07-23-2009, 09:07 PM

My disappointment comes clearly from the lack of available options, simply put you can't sell a 30k base car fully loaded with options to include the nismo goodies for 50k - thanks for cool dealers to sell 50k msrp for 43k... Now I'm happy...

mattjk · 07-23-2009, 09:26 PM

that s-tune body kit is hideous as well, but it looks ok on your car though...

nicknick · 07-23-2009, 10:51 PM

Yeah I agree Nismo is a shocker. Nismo looks bad, cheesy and it is not much of an upgrade at all. The standard Z looks much better. Nismo needs to look good and give a substantial upgrade.

RCZ · 07-27-2009, 11:14 PM

Yeah, definitely no "hate" towards the Nismo from me either. Its just that I would've modified the Nismo's everything, just like I did with my touring and I would've ended up with the same car I have now...except some body parts and my navigation. So I don't really care whether it exists or not.

KillerBee370 · 07-28-2009, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25

I can't get over this so I figured I'd post my opinion and see what you guys think. Four months ago when I bought my 370Z, I was an excited 'convert' from having owned a number of Audis.

With my old Audis, I was truly an Audi enthusiast. I drooled over the S and RS variations of the cars, attended Audi driving schools, etc etc. I was loyal and loved the sportier versions offered by the S and RS models. Audi had and still has something special in their 'sporty racing' versions that is sexy and desirable.

Now I'm a Nissan owner and I love my new Z. However, out comes the Nismo 370Z and all I do is find myself cringing at everything Nismo represents. First, the 'sportier' model looks arguably ridiculous from some or many angles. Even something as simple as more aggressive styling is done with numerous stepoffs and contours that don't compliment each other. To make matters worse, the bumpers look like plastic rather than smooth, sleek and hi-tech. Second, the Nismo really offers nothing that's more desirable. If Audi put out a Nismo 370Z, it would sport a twin-turbo or V8 upgrade. Why isn't our Nismo sporting 400+hp? BMW and Mercedes also know the recipe with their M and AMG versions. People would laugh at Audi if the RS4 just had new front and rear bumpers, some RS4 stitching and a new exhaust.

In short, I'm sorry to say that anything Nismo makes my stomach crawl. The last thing I'd want on my car is anything that actually says "Nismo". For me, Nismo is just Cheese-mo. What do you guys think?

Agreed. I think Nissan is using the GTR as the "RS" or "M" or "AMG" though even though it's a different model.

Plasmaball · 07-28-2009, 05:41 AM

seems like a waste of money, but i do like to spoiler on the nismo. Which one can buy as an add-on after market.
If i wanted to buy something for the name i would have gotten a Mercedes.

antbear · 01-21-2010, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=SnakeBitten;118778]AGREED. Somethings I would have loved to see in this Nismo Z.

1. FACTORY INSTALLED OIL COOLERS for a track focused car is a serious nobrainer. [bruno] Nissan.....Wass Up?[/bruno]

2. Direct Injection and at least 50 more hp[aftermarket is getting close to that with just i/e/h & tune. A cam to exploit an 8000-8200 redline would be nice but not necessary.

3. Its own gearset to maximize all 6 gears [who cares about 1-2mpg loss on a track focused car]

4. Lightweight Racing seats to offset some of the weight added by the seam welds.

5. A more aesthetically pleasing lightweight bodykit that added "significant" downforce.

40-45k for this I believe people would easily pay. I mean they are paying that for the 370z Nismo as it stands and getting way less than the above.

The Nismo Z is just the track version....that's the diff.

vipor · 01-21-2010, 04:43 PM

there are no welded seams on the Z34

07-21-2009, 02:34 AM	#106 (permalink)
chubbs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Zeeland Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2016 370z Auto-Grey Rep Power: 7586	The 'Emperor's new clothes' have been well and truly ripped off in this thread, haven't they? Must say that I agree with the OP ...Nismo 370z - It ain't worf it! ...still love my Nismo LMGT4's though __________________ . '03 Grey >>> '06 Black >>>'10 Silver >>> '16 Grey ^

07-23-2009, 08:52 PM	#112 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Given that I'm the OP, I might as well add that I'm far from jealous of a Nismo 370Z in its current form. Just today I found myself day dreaming again of a better Nismo sporting 400hp and quad exhausts like a porsche turbo (how cool would that look?). Something you look at and think "Hot damn that's sweet." To me, the current Nismo looks nothing more than a base 370Z that a teenager got his hands on and bought some mods from Pep Boy's. Last edited by spearfish25; 07-23-2009 at 08:55 PM.

07-23-2009, 09:07 PM	#113 (permalink)
Smallywood Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 501 Drives: 12 GT-R BlackEdition Rep Power: 17	My disappointment comes clearly from the lack of available options, simply put you can't sell a 30k base car fully loaded with options to include the nismo goodies for 50k - thanks for cool dealers to sell 50k msrp for 43k... Now I'm happy... __________________

01-21-2010, 04:43 PM	#120 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	there are no welded seams on the Z34 __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

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juan05 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: west palm beach Posts: 372 Drives: nismo 370z black. Rep Power: 16	imo i think is a great car. yes they did not add an cooler. not everyone who gets the nismo is going to track it. in looks i think is great. there is not 1 thing i dont like.

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mattjk Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Azusa Posts: 331 Drives: 09 370z K51 09 Elise Rep Power: 267	that s-tune body kit is hideous as well, but it looks ok on your car though...

07-23-2009, 10:51 PM	#115 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 16	Yeah I agree Nismo is a shocker. Nismo looks bad, cheesy and it is not much of an upgrade at all. The standard Z looks much better. Nismo needs to look good and give a substantial upgrade.

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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Yeah, definitely no "hate" towards the Nismo from me either. Its just that I would've modified the Nismo's everything, just like I did with my touring and I would've ended up with the same car I have now...except some body parts and my navigation. So I don't really care whether it exists or not.

07-28-2009, 05:41 AM	#118 (permalink)
Plasmaball Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 113 Drives: 6sp PG 370z Rep Power: 16	seems like a waste of money, but i do like to spoiler on the nismo. Which one can buy as an add-on after market. If i wanted to buy something for the name i would have gotten a Mercedes.

01-21-2010, 04:42 PM	#119 (permalink)
antbear Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 111 Drives: 09 370Z Tour/Sport P Rep Power: 16	[QUOTE=SnakeBitten;118778]AGREED. Somethings I would have loved to see in this Nismo Z. 1. FACTORY INSTALLED OIL COOLERS for a track focused car is a serious nobrainer. [bruno] Nissan.....Wass Up?[/bruno] 2. Direct Injection and at least 50 more hp[aftermarket is getting close to that with just i/e/h & tune. A cam to exploit an 8000-8200 redline would be nice but not necessary. 3. Its own gearset to maximize all 6 gears [who cares about 1-2mpg loss on a track focused car] 4. Lightweight Racing seats to offset some of the weight added by the seam welds. 5. A more aesthetically pleasing lightweight bodykit that added "significant" downforce. 40-45k for this I believe people would easily pay. I mean they are paying that for the 370z Nismo as it stands and getting way less than the above. The Nismo Z is just the track version....that's the diff.