Nismo = cheese-mo

RCZ · 07-20-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

No aftermarket Z has yet to handle as smooth and good.

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

theDreamer · 07-20-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

People tried this against the NISMO 350z and failed. You can buy all the parts you want, but if they don't work properly together it could just make your car worse. Autech tuned all the parts to work together on both NISMO versions. And the NISMO 350Z still out handles many race prepped Zs with just bolt ons.

Really, because we have seen multiple people slap on some bolt ons which will push more than the Nismo upgrades and work properly together. We already very close in suspension, which all we (Coupe 370z) really need to upgrade are the tires and we will equal the Nismo. What else is left? Body kit, can pick up a better one or the Nismo one from Nissan if you want.

whoady4shoady · 07-20-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

^^^^^^6That is my thinking too.

Alexus · 07-20-2009, 11:06 AM

Most people who will be buying this version will not be bringing it to the track, and this is a fact. Putting that into consideration, in the long run it is safe to say that even though the factory-installed bodykit for the Nismo-tuned 370Z provides additional downforce and aerodynamics, it's still just an appearance package and a rather poor attempt at it. In short, the 10k markup is unjustifiable on Nissan's part because if you factor things in, you're only getting 20 or so hp for that additional dough.

NIZMOZ · 07-20-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I do think the Nismo 350 had more going for it than the 370 Version does.

But do you think the Nismo 350 is faster than the Nismo 370 on a track? After all, they were designed by the same people with the same purpose.

No idea till we see that test.

shabarivas · 07-20-2009, 01:12 PM

... so many haters... man... its like the evo 9 guys bitching about how shitty the evo X is gonna be even before they could test it... give the nismo time... I guarantee you that its faster around a track than the base + sport... and no matter what you say - that long-nose is sexy as all hell... you just havnt gotten used to it...

Lug · 07-20-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexus

Most people who will be buying this version will not be bringing it to the track, and this is a fact. Putting that into consideration, in the long run it is safe to say that even though the factory-installed bodykit for the Nismo-tuned 370Z provides additional downforce and aerodynamics, it's still just an appearance package and a rather poor attempt at it. In short, the 10k markup is unjustifiable on Nissan's part because if you factor things in, you're only getting 20 or so hp for that additional dough.

So you just get "additional downforce and aerodynamics" yet it's "just an appearance package" What else do you expect from a body kit?

Also, you forgot a few suspension additions that go with the 18 hp bump. That small power bump is bigger than previous NISMO's yet few were beotching about them to my memory. Once you add the cost of the upgraded wheels, upgraded suspension package, upgraded exhaust and Limited Slip diff (remember, the base unit you are comparing it to doesn't have it), plus limited availability together and then realize the NISMO 370Z is less that $500 more than the NISMO 350Z it replaces, you realize Nissan has done a good job at this price. Can you outperform it with aftermarket stuff? Sure........just like every factory tuned car in the history of the world.

juan05 · 07-20-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way.

Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car.

Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff....

im getting the car because i like the looks wheels everything. the car has allready a good engine why more? yes make it faster. but it would cost more nissan gives you a good package from the factory for a good price.

juan05 · 07-20-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shabarivas

... so many haters... man... its like the evo 9 guys bitching about how shitty the evo X is gonna be even before they could test it... give the nismo time... I guarantee you that its faster around a track than the base + sport... and no matter what you say - that long-nose is sexy as all hell... you just havnt gotten used to it...

i know im tired of all the bitching people are giving it. the only people who have tested it was edmunds. thats not even a test

juan05 · 07-20-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

So you just get "additional downforce and aerodynamics" yet it's "just an appearance package" What else do you expect from a body kit?

Also, you forgot a few suspension additions that go with the 18 hp bump. That small power bump is bigger than previous NISMO's yet few were beotching about them to my memory. Once you add the cost of the upgraded wheels, upgraded suspension package, upgraded exhaust and Limited Slip diff (remember, the base unit you are comparing it to doesn't have it), plus limited availability together and then realize the NISMO 370Z is less that $500 more than the NISMO 350Z it replaces, you realize Nissan has done a good job at this price. Can you outperform it with aftermarket stuff? Sure........just like every factory tuned car in the history of the world.

v+1

Robert_Nash · 07-20-2009, 03:19 PM

It seems that quite a few of those complaining don't even own a "Z" let alone a 370 yet they seem to be experts in what Nissan should offer for the money...what's wrong with this picture???

I don't know of any cars at any price that can't be "improved" (however each person defines improvement)...I can understand that many people don't like how the Nismo 370 looks (I don't like the looks all the much myself) but so what...for every person that loves the looks of any particular vehicle I guarantee you that I can find at least one who hates it!

Maybe I'm wrong but I really find all the bashing (and the motivation behind it) a bit suspect.

arcticreaver · 07-20-2009, 04:34 PM

you purchasing a name. just like with nike, adidas, etc.

RCZ · 07-20-2009, 04:38 PM

Bashing isnt suspect... people are posting facts to back up their opinion. In the end its still just their opinion.

Doesn't it bother you that Nissan could have very easily just as well have called it the "track" trim of the car, like the 350Z had a "track" trim? It would have made more sense with the level of upgrades that it got.

and everyone knows a modified anything can be faster than an unmodified something else... thats not the argument here. The argument is whether the upgrades are worth the price charged for them. As in... "Could I do better with $10k in aftermarket parts?" I think the answer is yes...

SOLISIMO · 07-20-2009, 04:41 PM

hmmm good points being made in this thread, but it will never happend

to me its like the Shelby KR.... do you really want to pay that much more for something you can yourself?

ArtVandaleigh · 07-20-2009, 04:48 PM

I think my biggest gripe with the 370 Nismo is the fact that being oriented towards track use, they blatantly did not install an oil cooler. What kind of slap in the face is that? A track car that will overheat after 3-4 laps and they knew this was going to be an issue from day 1? I think the overall package isnt bad for high 30's, but compared to other track offerings from different manufacturers, this is unacceptable.

07-20-2009, 11:06 AM	#64 (permalink)
Alexus Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 178 Drives: The Beast Rep Power: 16	Most people who will be buying this version will not be bringing it to the track, and this is a fact. Putting that into consideration, in the long run it is safe to say that even though the factory-installed bodykit for the Nismo-tuned 370Z provides additional downforce and aerodynamics, it's still just an appearance package and a rather poor attempt at it. In short, the 10k markup is unjustifiable on Nissan's part because if you factor things in, you're only getting 20 or so hp for that additional dough. __________________ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -General George S. Patton Jr., 1885-1945

07-20-2009, 03:19 PM	#71 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	It seems that quite a few of those complaining don't even own a "Z" let alone a 370 yet they seem to be experts in what Nissan should offer for the money...what's wrong with this picture??? I don't know of any cars at any price that can't be "improved" (however each person defines improvement)...I can understand that many people don't like how the Nismo 370 looks (I don't like the looks all the much myself) but so what...for every person that loves the looks of any particular vehicle I guarantee you that I can find at least one who hates it! Maybe I'm wrong but I really find all the bashing (and the motivation behind it) a bit suspect. __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

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07-20-2009, 01:12 PM	#66 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	... so many haters... man... its like the evo 9 guys bitching about how shitty the evo X is gonna be even before they could test it... give the nismo time... I guarantee you that its faster around a track than the base + sport... and no matter what you say - that long-nose is sexy as all hell... you just havnt gotten used to it...

07-20-2009, 04:38 PM	#73 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Bashing isnt suspect... people are posting facts to back up their opinion. In the end its still just their opinion. Doesn't it bother you that Nissan could have very easily just as well have called it the "track" trim of the car, like the 350Z had a "track" trim? It would have made more sense with the level of upgrades that it got. and everyone knows a modified anything can be faster than an unmodified something else... thats not the argument here. The argument is whether the upgrades are worth the price charged for them. As in... "Could I do better with $10k in aftermarket parts?" I think the answer is yes...

07-20-2009, 04:41 PM	#74 (permalink)
SOLISIMO Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 510 Drives: TOP SECRET G37S Rep Power: 17	hmmm good points being made in this thread, but it will never happend to me its like the Shelby KR.... do you really want to pay that much more for something you can yourself?

07-20-2009, 04:48 PM	#75 (permalink)
ArtVandaleigh Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 227 Drives: 09 PW 370Z Rep Power: 675	I think my biggest gripe with the 370 Nismo is the fact that being oriented towards track use, they blatantly did not install an oil cooler. What kind of slap in the face is that? A track car that will overheat after 3-4 laps and they knew this was going to be an issue from day 1? I think the overall package isnt bad for high 30's, but compared to other track offerings from different manufacturers, this is unacceptable.