Originally Posted by spearfish25 Audi/Merc/BMW all have a lineup of high performance models that must be selling pretty darn well. Putting a GT-R motor in the 370Z, perhaps somewhat de-tuned
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As to the market...huge? Are you kidding me? If you took all the sports car models sold by every manufacturer in a year and added them together they wouldn't equal the annual sales of even one mainstream model...even in a ridiculously tiny TVM of 10M units a year the normal size of the sports car market isn't a drop in the bucket. And Nissan isn't Porsche...if it was a base 370 would cost you $55K at least.
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As far as a light weight body kits. The new corvette is all fiberglass. The Corvette z06 and zr1 are made of carbon fiber for obvious reasons. Nissan should have thought about doing something similar. |
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I think the nismo represents a good value, but no doubt you can get more gains through aftermarket parts. I've said in my previous post in this thread that you can get more performance through aftermarket parts. I don't think that was ever a question. And when the "15-20K" was brought up, that is in regards to M and AMG models compared to the regular variants. The Nismo does 15K more than a base model. A Z with touring/sports and nav will cost more than a nismo. I've seen the edmunds test, but that is just one test. I've commented on those threads. After all is said and done, I'd expect the Nismo to be a little faster or maybe the engine parts just don't make much more power. Or the parts make all their power at or near redline which could prove favorable on the track. |
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Well (grabs heat shield, lol) ..... at least it looks less "cheese-mo" than the 350 Nismo, IMO. The rear spoiler is the thing that really puts it over the top for me, screams boy-racer, but to each his own. As far as NISMO (Nissan Motorsports racing), I don't think it's really fair to confuse that with the perception we seem to have of the 370Z Nismo.
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Also a Z with sport package and touring can be had for 36-38k when I was initially looking. Obviously out the door would be a bit more. But the Nismo Z starts at 39k. Out the door it will be 40k+ easily especially with the markups. Id get the SP, minus the nav package, so I can get the rev match and lsd. I can get such a car for around 34k when I was initially looking. 34k plus these mods below would make for a car around the Nismo Z's price with much better performance imho. Correct me if my numbers are not current. Stillen Exhaust - $1500 Stillen Intake - $549 Stillen Oil Cooler - $426 Berk High Flow Cats - $549 KW Variant 3 - $2000 Hotchkis Sway bar upgrade $375 Dyno Tune - $500-1000 maybe more. Total = 6399 without shipping. Price will climb with that added of course but I dont have a ball park for it as it varies. The above is just enough products to beatdown the Nismo Z with ease. I didnt include wheels or bodykit as they didnt help the Nismo Z at all against a sport packaged 370z and the body kit is useless at the track dispite Nissans claim of downforce. Downforce too minimal to affect the overall numbers vs the normal SP Z. Still have a bit of money left in that 10k Nismo premium for light track wheels, front big brake kit if the person choses. This wont get you a limited Nismo version but it will get you a Z that will embarrass the Nismo branded version on any track imho..BTW all the mods I listed wont void your waranty I believe as this is not a GTR lol. These threads are fun but purely wishfull thinking
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Suspension. I think the current 370Z Sport suspension falls very short on capabilites. The NISMO model does fill in those gaps. However, engine changes ( Turbo, Supercharger ) enhancements are really what is in order for a flagship model. I am an ex - VW owner R32. and it was quick !!
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folks expecting to pay mid to upper 40's , approaching 50k for a vette .. say.. would consider a 370z with 400hp or thereabouts, produced by a sc or turbos, without all the doo-dads of the GTR (which price-wise competes with the z06). such a car would fill a niche between the 370z current versions and the GTR and what with GM being run by the gubment would give chevy a run for their money with vettes... and prolly pull some camaro ss folks in to a slightly higher range... and get me off the fence too since i want vette power in a z type car. to me the nismo is a dressed up z with little or no performance based redeeming value.. and for me its all about performance and zilich about the bling.. |
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Couldn't have said it better. Nissan IS being "cheesy" with the Nismo.
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I agree 100%. I think Nissan knew they had to offer more HP this time around, but it is so meager and available at one end of the range, it's basically stock.
Lexus, the makers of the most sedate luxury cars on the planet, even managed an impressive IS model, with the ISF. I think there is a market for a more upmarket Z. It doesn't need to compete with the GTR. It doesn't need AWD, it does not need all the amazing tech. The Z is Nissan's more simple RWD sports car. 400 ish HP. Recaro Seats Upgraded Brakes Suspension Work.. Interior work.. You have something akin to an M, perhaps less luxurious, but sportier and lighter weight for maybe 20k less. You have a real value, an JDM Vette if you will. Honestly, I think they tarnish the Nismo name with release. The handling of the 350 Nismo, at the very least, was a noticeable improvement. You don't get spot welds, or even an oil cooler. Basically what you have is an over priced Z with bolt ons. I'd rather these additions be labeled a "track" model, because calling it is a Nismo, is a bit of a disgrace considering what has been branded Nismo in Japan The Nismo will always be a low volume car. I can't tell you how long the 350 Nismos sat on the lot of the Nissan dealer I frequent. I doubt this 370 Nismo will move in commanding numbers. So the sales argument is a false starter IMO. The car is always going to be low volume, it should be at least special. Last edited by Sardis; 07-19-2009 at 09:57 PM. |
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I'm guessing it's very difficult for Nissan to justify the direction they've decided to head in with this Nismo-tuned Z. I'm not sure what price-range we're looking at here… heck, I don't even really know what this edition features. From what I've been reading on here and on other unmentionables; it's just an appearance package and perhaps it should be sold just as that, like it is on the Altima and the Versa. Changing the bumpers, the spoilers, adding some color under the hood and some badges here and there does not justify the +/- $40-45,000 price range. I'm sorry, but for the extra $10k you can both make your car look getter and perform better.
Going on with the theme of this thread, in retrospect, this is what Nissan would have to do with a Nismo-tuned 370Z for me to even consider purchasing one: - Either: a. Add a turbo to that VVEL. Nissan has more than enough know-how to make this happen. b. Put in a 5.0L V8. They already have a proven 5.6L V8 in the Titan, why wouldn't they be able to modify it for a passenger car (read sport coupe) application and drop it into the 370Z? I haven't seen the Z's engine bay in person, but I'm more than certain that it can be done. Weight wouldn't be an issue if they replaced the seats with lightweight Recaros, and used lighter materials overall. Smaller wheels, also, wouldn't hurt. - Let's be honest here, Mitsubishi is offering it, Audi is offering it, BMW is offering it. A sequential, manumatic, DSG, whatever you want to call it transmission should be offered. Heck, it should be on the regular Z. This should be a no brainer, and even though I can't say I've been following the news a lot, but I'm inclined to believe that Nissan hasn't developed one. I strongly believe that this is a crucial selling point for most people, because more and more track racers are favoring these transmissions over the manuals. It is CRUCIAL for Nissan to develop this in order to keep up with cars in the price-range, and imho if Mitsubishi can do this with a full-size sedan like the Evo, and still sell it for $40k, I'm pretty damn sure Nissan can do it. Heck, I think that if Ford can develop something like PowerShift, Nissan can do it. No further comment.
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I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way.
Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car. Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff....
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