Nismo = cheese-mo

frost

Being a Z person since the last Z (350), I have had a little more time to become accustomed to this. The 350 nismo was even worse than the 370 version. In american cars, where I came from, the sportier models actually came with some real goodies.
So, in short, totally agree.

RCZ

Cant wait for a certain person to answer to this.

I completely agree. Although the front end on the 350 was cool.

SMJane_Again

Very much agree, as I currently own an Audi S4 and keep trying to rationalize NOT having a 370z (losing battle). The lack of a gap in performance between the base and the Nismo given the price disparity is shameful.

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Robert_Nash

Nissan already has a twin turbo 6 cylinder - it's called a GT-R; Nissan doesn't need to put out a Z that would be putting down near GT-R HP/Tq and likely, be dangerously close to a GT-R price.

More importantly; who would buy it??? How big do you think the $60-$70K+ sports car market is?

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spearfish25

Audi/Merc/BMW all have a lineup of high performance models that must be selling pretty darn well. Putting a GT-R motor in the 370Z, perhaps somewhat de-tuned to drop the HP into the lower 400s to keep it slower than a GT-R. I'd imagine a twin-turbo kit (GT-R detuned motor) would still keep the car's price around $55k-65k. Throw in some sportier springs, a vented hood, CF side mirrors, and a more aggressive grille and you have yourself a sweet upgraded Nismo package.

Would I be able to afford it right now? No. Would I drool when I saw someone drive it by, lust for it, and probably buy it in a few years when I'm not a surgical resident any longer? Absolutely.

I think the $60-70k sportscar market is pretty huge actually. Porsche has two models in that bracket and they're still in business .

Robert_Nash

Private citizens can slap on TT kits and other stuff without worrying about little things like whether the vehicle is even designed for that kind of HP or other concerns like warranties so while you may think Nissan could just slap together such a vehicle; it can't. It also won't because Nissan isn't going to do something so stupid as to impinge on the GT-R with something that offers only marginally less performance for $20k less - it would be stupid for them to do so.

As to the market...huge? Are you kidding me?

If you took all the sports car models sold by every manufacturer in a year and added them together they wouldn't equal the annual sales of even one mainstream model...even in a ridiculously tiny TVM of 10M units a year the normal size of the sports car market isn't a drop in the bucket.

And Nissan isn't Porsche...if it was a base 370 would cost you $55K at least.

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whoady4shoady

I think it could be done for under 60

SnakeBitten

AGREED. Somethings I would have loved to see in this Nismo Z.

1. FACTORY INSTALLED OIL COOLERS for a track focused car is a serious nobrainer. [bruno] Nissan.....Wass Up?[/bruno]

2. Direct Injection and at least 50 more hp[aftermarket is getting close to that with just i/e/h & tune. A cam to exploit an 8000-8200 redline would be nice but not necessary.

3. Its own gearset to maximize all 6 gears [who cares about 1-2mpg loss on a track focused car]

4. Lightweight Racing seats to offset some of the weight added by the seam welds.

5. A more aesthetically pleasing lightweight bodykit that added "significant" downforce.

40-45k for this I believe people would easily pay. I mean they are paying that for the 370z Nismo as it stands and getting way less than the above.




\/\/ Thanks Whoady

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SpawnAeroJohn

As far as a light weight body kits. The new corvette is all fiberglass. The Corvette z06 and zr1 are made of carbon fiber for obvious reasons. Nissan should have thought about doing something similar.

antbear

[QUOTE=SnakeBitten;118778]AGREED. Somethings I would have loved to see in this Nismo Z.

1. FACTORY INSTALLED OIL COOLERS for a track focused car is a serious nobrainer. [bruno] Nissan.....Wass Up?[/bruno]

2. Direct Injection and at least 50 more hp[aftermarket is getting close to that with just i/e/h & tune. A cam to exploit an 8000-8200 redline would be nice but not necessary.

3. Its own gearset to maximize all 6 gears [who cares about 1-2mpg loss on a track focused car]

4. Lightweight Racing seats to offset some of the weight added by the seam welds.

5. A more aesthetically pleasing lightweight bodykit that added "significant" downforce.

40-45k for this I believe people would easily pay. I mean they are paying that for the 370z Nismo as it stands and getting way less than the above.



The Nismo Z is just the track version....that's the diff.

F430Spider

They coudn't put a gt-r motor in it. Those are hand made and theres a waiting list for GT-R's here... >_<

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SpawnAeroJohn

Very good point. The nismo also does come with upgraded suspension work. But IMO still not worth the price. At least the 350Z nismo came with an altered chassis. Correct me if I'm wrong.

NIZMOZ

You are correct, the didn't do this on the 370z which imho was a failure on Nissans part.

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tolnep

who would buy what is the question...

folks expecting to pay mid to upper 40's , approaching 50k for a vette .. say.. would consider a 370z with 400hp or thereabouts, produced by a sc or turbos, without all the doo-dads of the GTR (which price-wise competes with the z06).

such a car would fill a niche between the 370z current versions and the GTR and what with GM being run by the gubment would give chevy a run for their money with vettes... and prolly pull some camaro ss folks in to a slightly higher range...

and get me off the fence too since i want vette power in a z type car.

to me the nismo is a dressed up z with little or no performance based redeeming value.. and for me its all about performance and zilich about the bling..

GMZ

Ditto, agree completely. Look at the vette lineup each model has a 25% hp increase, and the Z28 sure didnt hurt vette sales despite it being close hp wise. Same deal with Porsche, Ford, etc etc etc. Give the Nismo Z GTR heads and an improved I/E over stock and make it at least 375 ish for God's sake. They could do it for well under 50K I bet.

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