Nismo = cheese-mo

Alexus · 07-19-2009, 09:16 PM

I'm guessing it's very difficult for Nissan to justify the direction they've decided to head in with this Nismo-tuned Z. I'm not sure what price-range we're looking at here… heck, I don't even really know what this edition features. From what I've been reading on here and on other unmentionables; it's just an appearance package and perhaps it should be sold just as that, like it is on the Altima and the Versa. Changing the bumpers, the spoilers, adding some color under the hood and some badges here and there does not justify the +/- $40-45,000 price range. I'm sorry, but for the extra $10k you can both make your car look getter and perform better.

Going on with the theme of this thread, in retrospect, this is what Nissan would have to do with a Nismo-tuned 370Z for me to even consider purchasing one:

- Either: a. Add a turbo to that VVEL. Nissan has more than enough know-how to make this happen. b. Put in a 5.0L V8. They already have a proven 5.6L V8 in the Titan, why wouldn't they be able to modify it for a passenger car (read sport coupe) application and drop it into the 370Z? I haven't seen the Z's engine bay in person, but I'm more than certain that it can be done. Weight wouldn't be an issue if they replaced the seats with lightweight Recaros, and used lighter materials overall. Smaller wheels, also, wouldn't hurt.

- Let's be honest here, Mitsubishi is offering it, Audi is offering it, BMW is offering it. A sequential, manumatic, DSG, whatever you want to call it transmission should be offered. Heck, it should be on the regular Z. This should be a no brainer, and even though I can't say I've been following the news a lot, but I'm inclined to believe that Nissan hasn't developed one. I strongly believe that this is a crucial selling point for most people, because more and more track racers are favoring these transmissions over the manuals. It is CRUCIAL for Nissan to develop this in order to keep up with cars in the price-range, and imho if Mitsubishi can do this with a full-size sedan like the Evo, and still sell it for $40k, I'm pretty damn sure Nissan can do it. Heck, I think that if Ford can develop something like PowerShift, Nissan can do it.

No further comment.

FricFrac · 07-19-2009, 09:18 PM

I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way.

Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car.

Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff....

NIZMOZ · 07-19-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FricFrac

I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way.

Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car.

Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff....

Just a correction. The NISMO 370z did not get body welds.

FricFrac · 07-19-2009, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Just a correction. The NISMO 370z did not get body welds.

Thanks for the update on that. Most of what I had read said nothing about body welds but I had read one journalist that said it was welded - must have been confused with the 350Z NISMO he tested

Its funny how Nissan has given us "Best Sports Car Value on the Planet" or whatever the journalist are saying and in spite of that we keep saying "oh it would have been nice if they....." I suppose the best isn't good enough is what keeps pushing the technology forward.....

juan05 · 07-20-2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FricFrac

I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way.

Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car.

Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff....

im getting the car because i like the looks wheels everything. the car has allready a good engine why more? yes make it faster. but it would cost more nissan gives you a good package from the factory for a good price.

chubbs · 07-21-2009, 01:34 AM

The 'Emperor's new clothes' have been well and truly ripped off in this thread, haven't they?

Must say that I agree with the OP ...Nismo 370z - It ain't worf it!

...still love my Nismo LMGT4's though

RCZ · 07-19-2009, 09:24 PM

I am so surprised this thread hasn't exploded into a flamewar. Keep it up folks.

* I do agree with most of the AMG, M and -F and RS comments for sure, but I dont think we havent look that far. Even STI and EVO owners get a BIG upgrade from their normal bretheren and they aren't excessively more expensive.

* When engineers design a car to be used as a track car and then negate the whole process by not putting the correct cooling on it, then they have failed and the whole car is a failure.

* If the car is not designed for track use, but has been branded and marketed as such then this is what we call marketing. For folks who want to feel like racers, but arent. Don't tell me you want a race car for the street because that wont go well.

* One could argue that it is a better starting point to build upon because the chassis is stiffer, but then.. I have a feeling you're going to lose that argument when someone slaps you with the price difference over base.

* Not enough difference to call it a new model either as almost everything is the same.

So what you have here then is either:

A) a failure to create a more focused track car

or

B) a shameless use of the NISMO brand by Nissan who needed a few bucks in this economy and decided to give a lot less for more $.

I think its the latter...they are using Nismo fans and diehards who love the brand..

As someone mentioned before...the NISMO model we just got was supposed to be the "track" trim for the 370Z. Seeing where the economy was, Nissan decided that all the R&D money that went into that car would probably be lost if they priced it like they have previous year track models. So the smart folks at Nissan decide to slap a nismo badge, a body kit and a nice $10k Markup.

But hey, thats just my theory.

kgreen · 07-19-2009, 09:28 PM

well said Fric-Frac

travisjb · 07-19-2009, 09:54 PM

Good discussion.

I would have been a buyer for a $45K well prepared 370z setup from the factory for the track. But I would want it to be more like a race car that you just have to strip and cage... barely street legal, essentially how mine is now. I think a lot of the parts that have been mentioned are good, and some of them would be comparable or just a bit more for nissan to source vs the current set. In addition to what has been mentioned, I'd want it to include:

- weight transfer to rear for more like 52/48
- single mass flywheel
- 1.5 way rear diff... I'm really digging the carbonetic, very 'street-able'
- more gauge options

gnarf · 07-19-2009, 10:07 PM

this kinda reminds me of the new Corvette Grand Sport coming out real soon. Its pretty much a regular C6 corvette with Z06 brakes, suspensions and wider body panels..all for around 55k..supposedly it would be the fastest car under 60k..I wished the Nismo could compete at the Grand Sport's level...even if they slapped on some cookie sized turbos like the ones on the 335i...it would make some great results!!!

tolnep · 07-20-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnarf

this kinda reminds me of the new Corvette Grand Sport coming out real soon. Its pretty much a regular C6 corvette with Z06 brakes, suspensions and wider body panels..all for around 55k..supposedly it would be the fastest car under 60k..I wished the Nismo could compete at the Grand Sport's level...even if they slapped on some cookie sized turbos like the ones on the 335i...it would make some great results!!!

Grand sport vette.
Z06 body, brakes, not sure about the suspension, i think perhaps dry sump on the stick but not auto..

the rumor is the grand sport is mostly bling too. and frankly the wide body on the z06 is nice, but the rumor is it will weigh more, be a tad slower at the strip and track..... lots o complaints about not upping the hp to at least 450 to 460..

course i think they should do away with the z06, offer the grand sport z06 option, which is the grand sport body with the cadillac cts-v detuned ls3 from the zr1..

Brazilbro · 07-19-2009, 10:34 PM

it would be nice if nissan has something closer to the GT-R in performace with a 6-spd. That is the killer for me. A Nismo 370 Turbo in the 60-65k range/ or 400ish N/A , i dont think would compete to much with the GT-R.. I know a lot of ppl that love the GT-R and what it can do but just cant give up that manual so they go corvette or porsche.

Pariz · 07-20-2009, 12:35 AM

I agree with you on the looks, it looks different than the 370z, the designers need to get some clues from the Italians they took the nice look away.
I don't agree with the rest of your comment, the nismo probably will give to any of the Germans a very hard time or beat them for $30k less. I had the 370z for 3 weeks and now I have the nismo and let me tell you this is another car, I just came back from the LA CREST HWY, this car really handles and it's fun to drive.
I will say that I miss the front and rear bumper of my 370z, I wish I can make it look like the original 370z but I don't think it's possible.
The disigners of this car forgot the suit case of taste, class, fashion, or probably were drunk.

shabarivas · 07-20-2009, 01:48 AM

The nismo 370 is yet to show us what its really capable of... the nismo 350 was an AMAZING improvement over the non nismo 350... Despite its looks - it hands down was a better car... so dont be too judgmental just yet...

shabarivas · 07-20-2009, 12:12 PM

... so many haters... man... its like the evo 9 guys bitching about how shitty the evo X is gonna be even before they could test it... give the nismo time... I guarantee you that its faster around a track than the base + sport... and no matter what you say - that long-nose is sexy as all hell... you just havnt gotten used to it...

07-19-2009, 09:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alexus Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 178 Drives: The Beast Rep Power: 17	I'm guessing it's very difficult for Nissan to justify the direction they've decided to head in with this Nismo-tuned Z. I'm not sure what price-range we're looking at here… heck, I don't even really know what this edition features. From what I've been reading on here and on other unmentionables; it's just an appearance package and perhaps it should be sold just as that, like it is on the Altima and the Versa. Changing the bumpers, the spoilers, adding some color under the hood and some badges here and there does not justify the +/- $40-45,000 price range. I'm sorry, but for the extra $10k you can both make your car look getter and perform better. Going on with the theme of this thread, in retrospect, this is what Nissan would have to do with a Nismo-tuned 370Z for me to even consider purchasing one: - Either: a. Add a turbo to that VVEL. Nissan has more than enough know-how to make this happen. b. Put in a 5.0L V8. They already have a proven 5.6L V8 in the Titan, why wouldn't they be able to modify it for a passenger car (read sport coupe) application and drop it into the 370Z? I haven't seen the Z's engine bay in person, but I'm more than certain that it can be done. Weight wouldn't be an issue if they replaced the seats with lightweight Recaros, and used lighter materials overall. Smaller wheels, also, wouldn't hurt. - Let's be honest here, Mitsubishi is offering it, Audi is offering it, BMW is offering it. A sequential, manumatic, DSG, whatever you want to call it transmission should be offered. Heck, it should be on the regular Z. This should be a no brainer, and even though I can't say I've been following the news a lot, but I'm inclined to believe that Nissan hasn't developed one. I strongly believe that this is a crucial selling point for most people, because more and more track racers are favoring these transmissions over the manuals. It is CRUCIAL for Nissan to develop this in order to keep up with cars in the price-range, and imho if Mitsubishi can do this with a full-size sedan like the Evo, and still sell it for $40k, I'm pretty damn sure Nissan can do it. Heck, I think that if Ford can develop something like PowerShift, Nissan can do it. No further comment. __________________ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -General George S. Patton Jr., 1885-1945

07-19-2009, 09:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	I think you're missing the point of the NISMO. Its for those who want the NISMO parts as an option for their car. For what it is its a good deal. Price the bits and pieces seperately and its gonna cost you way more. Plus they did some extra stuff like solid welding the frames to increase the stiffness of the chasis. If you are looking for a high performance version of the 370Z (which incase we forgot is one of the best bang for the buck sports cars out there) then the NISMO isn't good value. Get your own less expensive parts sans warranty. Oh and that's another point - for those of you who got suckered in with the "paint protection" you do realize that's just a wax job with a warranty right? Same thing with the NISMO parts - you pay a premium and you get warranty coverage with it and hopefully no hassels because the car was built that way. Personally I'm not interested in the NISMO model. Don't like the looks of the body kit (well 'cept for the rear wing - tempted...) and I'd rather get other performance parts specific to what I'll be doing with the car. Take it for what it is. A 370Z with factory installed NISMO parts as well as a tune and body welds at a fraction of what that would cost to buy the parts seperately and its going to be a fairly rare version of the car. It's not suppose to be a super charged turboed 370Z..... Is it a good deal? Not to me personally but to someone who wants the brand name stuff.... __________________ '09 370Z - '93 300ZX Vert - '83 280ZX - '83 280ZXT -'81 280ZXT stroker - '72 240Z - Stillen CBE, HFC, G3, Grounding Kit, Sways // Swift Spring // H&R 15mm // 5% Tint // Clear Bra //

07-21-2009, 01:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
chubbs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Zeeland Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2016 370z Auto-Grey Rep Power: 7587	The 'Emperor's new clothes' have been well and truly ripped off in this thread, haven't they? Must say that I agree with the OP ...Nismo 370z - It ain't worf it! ...still love my Nismo LMGT4's though __________________ . '03 Grey >>> '06 Black >>>'10 Silver >>> '16 Grey ^

07-19-2009, 09:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	Good discussion. I would have been a buyer for a $45K well prepared 370z setup from the factory for the track. But I would want it to be more like a race car that you just have to strip and cage... barely street legal, essentially how mine is now. I think a lot of the parts that have been mentioned are good, and some of them would be comparable or just a bit more for nissan to source vs the current set. In addition to what has been mentioned, I'd want it to include: - weight transfer to rear for more like 52/48 - single mass flywheel - 1.5 way rear diff... I'm really digging the carbonetic, very 'street-able' - more gauge options __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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07-19-2009, 09:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	I am so surprised this thread hasn't exploded into a flamewar. Keep it up folks. * I do agree with most of the AMG, M and -F and RS comments for sure, but I dont think we havent look that far. Even STI and EVO owners get a BIG upgrade from their normal bretheren and they aren't excessively more expensive. * When engineers design a car to be used as a track car and then negate the whole process by not putting the correct cooling on it, then they have failed and the whole car is a failure. * If the car is not designed for track use, but has been branded and marketed as such then this is what we call marketing. For folks who want to feel like racers, but arent. Don't tell me you want a race car for the street because that wont go well. * One could argue that it is a better starting point to build upon because the chassis is stiffer, but then.. I have a feeling you're going to lose that argument when someone slaps you with the price difference over base. * Not enough difference to call it a new model either as almost everything is the same. So what you have here then is either: A) a failure to create a more focused track car or B) a shameless use of the NISMO brand by Nissan who needed a few bucks in this economy and decided to give a lot less for more $. I think its the latter...they are using Nismo fans and diehards who love the brand.. As someone mentioned before...the NISMO model we just got was supposed to be the "track" trim for the 370Z. Seeing where the economy was, Nissan decided that all the R&D money that went into that car would probably be lost if they priced it like they have previous year track models. So the smart folks at Nissan decide to slap a nismo badge, a body kit and a nice $10k Markup. But hey, thats just my theory.

07-19-2009, 09:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
kgreen Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EL Paso, Tx Posts: 387 Drives: SR 370z Rep Power: 244	well said Fric-Frac

07-19-2009, 10:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
gnarf Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 160 Drives: G37 Rep Power: 16	this kinda reminds me of the new Corvette Grand Sport coming out real soon. Its pretty much a regular C6 corvette with Z06 brakes, suspensions and wider body panels..all for around 55k..supposedly it would be the fastest car under 60k..I wished the Nismo could compete at the Grand Sport's level...even if they slapped on some cookie sized turbos like the ones on the 335i...it would make some great results!!!

07-19-2009, 10:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 849	it would be nice if nissan has something closer to the GT-R in performace with a 6-spd. That is the killer for me. A Nismo 370 Turbo in the 60-65k range/ or 400ish N/A , i dont think would compete to much with the GT-R.. I know a lot of ppl that love the GT-R and what it can do but just cant give up that manual so they go corvette or porsche.

07-20-2009, 12:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
Pariz Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4 Drives: Nissan 370Z white-09 Rep Power: 16	I agree with you on the looks, it looks different than the 370z, the designers need to get some clues from the Italians they took the nice look away. I don't agree with the rest of your comment, the nismo probably will give to any of the Germans a very hard time or beat them for $30k less. I had the 370z for 3 weeks and now I have the nismo and let me tell you this is another car, I just came back from the LA CREST HWY, this car really handles and it's fun to drive. I will say that I miss the front and rear bumper of my 370z, I wish I can make it look like the original 370z but I don't think it's possible. The disigners of this car forgot the suit case of taste, class, fashion, or probably were drunk.

07-20-2009, 01:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	The nismo 370 is yet to show us what its really capable of... the nismo 350 was an AMAZING improvement over the non nismo 350... Despite its looks - it hands down was a better car... so dont be too judgmental just yet...

07-20-2009, 12:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	... so many haters... man... its like the evo 9 guys bitching about how shitty the evo X is gonna be even before they could test it... give the nismo time... I guarantee you that its faster around a track than the base + sport... and no matter what you say - that long-nose is sexy as all hell... you just havnt gotten used to it...