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cossie1600 03-08-2013 04:08 PM

Rear facing child seat
 
I know the car comes with a tether for forward facing child seat along with the airbag being disable. Anyone know if it would be possible to install rear facing child seat (assuming the thing actually fits). I seem to recall someone said Nissan didn't allow it for some reason.

Tazicon 03-08-2013 04:13 PM

No one allows a rear facing seat in the front with an airbag, even with the new Gen airbags. Thats a No-No.

Bigviet23 03-08-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazicon (Post 2203630)
No one allows a rear facing seat in the front with an airbag, even with the new Gen airbags. Thats a No-No.

this is true, i waited till my son was old/big enough to sit in a booster before i bought my z

DR_ 03-08-2013 06:28 PM

You need to wait about a year and until your baby is 20 pounds, then you can put them in a forward facing seat. I put my kid (now 4) in a forward facing seat all the time and he loves it.

cossie1600 03-08-2013 06:57 PM

need to figure out what to do for three months, dont want another car as the HUD nazis will flip

CDepp 03-08-2013 08:07 PM

Isn't baby-storage what the trunk in the Z is for? :confused:

If not, I should probably read the owner's manual and re-evaluate my plans for "high-speed baby shuttling" services. :icon14:

axmea? 03-08-2013 08:23 PM

You should not go to the forum for these kinds of advise. Start here:

Search DOT sites | Department of Transportation

That something you can find at the NHTSA. Also, some states have specific laws so you will need to check with your State resource. AAA is also a helpful resource. If your work offers EAP, they can do the leg work for you. But this forum would be the last thing I'd go to for something that's precious as a child's life and safety.

cossie1600 03-08-2013 09:18 PM

I have searched for it. There are too many conflicting reports from each place. No $hit backseat is better, but sometimes you have no choice as buying another car is the last thing I want to do for six miles drive a week. At the same time, the only reason why you shouldn't have it in the front is the airbag. Yet if the airbag is disabled, why is it bad to have one? It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The only thing I can think of is if the dash crumbles in a certain way where it crushes against the seat.

jayl 03-08-2013 11:09 PM

cant you use your wife's / gf's car when there is a need to use the car seat?

MR.nismo 03-14-2013 11:27 AM

I guess I was doing it wrong. I got many looks from people like "WTFRUDD". I'll look back at them like "GFYSAHIKWAD". I had my baby in a rear facing seat many many times. The car seat I had had a strap that could be attached to the anchor hook in the back plus it allowed me to run the seat belt thru it in either direction. Eventually he grew to the point where a front facing car seat was necessary. He is big enough now (3 years young) where he can sit and look out the window and see if there is another driver next to me. Now he sits there and smiles at everyone. :p:p :driving: I know, my kid rides in style!!!!

kfull 03-14-2013 11:31 AM

I bet an average sized baby could fit in the storage area behind the seats. And there are 2 of them if you have twins!

kenchan 03-14-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2204063)
I have searched for it. There are too many conflicting reports from each place. No $hit backseat is better, but sometimes you have no choice as buying another car is the last thing I want to do for six miles drive a week. At the same time, the only reason why you shouldn't have it in the front is the airbag. Yet if the airbag is disabled, why is it bad to have one? It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The only thing I can think of is if the dash crumbles in a certain way where it crushes against the seat.

lesson #1 for new pops: baby can not support its head while newborn.

the baby has a better chance of surviving neck injury with proper back facing infant seat. it's not just the airbag issue.

GL with your new baby. :tup:

kenchan 03-14-2013 11:48 AM

lesson #2 for new pops: cover pee pee gun with diaper during change. lol

jayl 03-14-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 2212986)
I guess I was doing it wrong. I got many looks from people like "WTFRUDD". I'll look back at them like "GFYSAHIKWAD". I had my baby in a rear facing seat many many times. The car seat I had had a strap that could be attached to the anchor hook in the back plus it allowed me to run the seat belt thru it in either direction. Eventually he grew to the point where a front facing car seat was necessary. He is big enough now (3 years young) where he can sit and look out the window and see if there is another driver next to me. Now he sits there and smiles at everyone. :p:p :driving: I know, my kid rides in style!!!!

did you take any pic's of the rear facing seat in the Z?

cossie1600 03-14-2013 12:47 PM

Does your airbag light off stays on with the car seat in it? I put my dog in the car, the light turns on and off, it sort of worries me. I have the baby and the car to myself today, maybe I will take him in the garage to try.

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Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 2212986)
I guess I was doing it wrong. I got many looks from people like "WTFRUDD". I'll look back at them like "GFYSAHIKWAD". I had my baby in a rear facing seat many many times. The car seat I had had a strap that could be attached to the anchor hook in the back plus it allowed me to run the seat belt thru it in either direction. Eventually he grew to the point where a front facing car seat was necessary. He is big enough now (3 years young) where he can sit and look out the window and see if there is another driver next to me. Now he sits there and smiles at everyone. :p:p :driving: I know, my kid rides in style!!!!

Yeah, that's why I don't want to do front facing and why I asked about rear facing seat. If the airbag is off, I don't know what difference it makes if it is front or rear facing. The only thing I can think of is the dash crunches in a certain way, pushing against the seat.

Anyway I am just looking for temporary usage (once a week), I don't want to buy another car unless I have to.

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2213015)
lesson #1 for new pops: baby can not support its head while newborn.

the baby has a better chance of surviving neck injury with proper back facing infant seat. it's not just the airbag issue.

GL with your new baby. :tup:


kenchan 03-14-2013 12:55 PM

where's your prius? :confused:

MarkGideon 03-14-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213142)
Does your airbag light off stays on with the car seat in it? I put my dog in the car, the light turns on and off, it sort of worries me. I have the baby and the car to myself today, maybe I will take him in the garage to try.

I have a backpack that I carry into the office, weighs maybe 12-15 pounds on a packed day, and that is enough to sometimes cause the light to come on and off in my car.




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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213142)
Yeah, that's why I don't want to do front facing and why I asked about rear facing seat. If the airbag is off, I don't know what difference it makes if it is front or rear facing. The only thing I can think of is the dash crunches in a certain way, pushing against the seat.

Anyway I am just looking for temporary usage (once a week), I don't want to buy another car unless I have to.

Just some quick Googling will provide you info on why rear facing is best for newborns, but to save you some steps:

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Babies have heavy heads and fragile necks. In a crash, an infant’s soft spinal column can stretch, leading to spinal cord damage if he is riding facing forward. The baby could die or be paralyzed permanently. This is true even for babies who have strong neck muscles and good head control. The neck bones are flexible, and the ligaments are loose to allow for growth.

If the baby is facing forward in a frontal crash, which is the most common and most severe type, the body is held back by the straps — but the head is not. The head is thrust forward, stretching the neck and the easily injured spinal cord. Older children in forward–facing safety seats or safety belts may end up with temporary neck injuries or fractures that will heal. But a baby’s neck bones actually separate during a crash, which can allow the spinal cord to be ripped apart. Picture what happens if someone yanks an electrical plug out of a socket by the cord, causing the wires to break.
Sure, only once a week or so for six miles. And it possibly would only take one minor accident to result in a life-changing event for the baby. It is a decision you will ultimately have to make and live with. But if it were me, I would not do it.

kenchan 03-14-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGideon (Post 2213176)

Sure, only once a week or so for six miles. And it possibly would only take one minor accident to result in a life-changing event for the baby. It is a decision you will ultimately have to make and live with. But if it were me, I would not do it.

cossie stated it was a temporary baby? :confused:


:icon17:

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2213161)
where's your prius? :confused:

Gave it to my mom, we had to get a SUV to fit the baby and the dogs.

Anyhow I just test fitted the seat, seems like there is plenty of room to clear the dash. I just have to make sure the airbag is off all the time, not flashing on and off like when my dog was on it

Haboob 03-14-2013 01:11 PM

Strap'em down in the hatch it is!

I def. wouldn't get rid of the car, being it's a financial hit and the child is only going to be this small for a short period of time.

If it were me (and may be some day) I'd probably swap cars w/a family member if I needed to go somewhere, then again - they aren't allowed to drive my car so it's more like take a family member's car. :icon23:

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGideon (Post 2213176)
I have a backpack that I carry into the office, weighs maybe 12-15 pounds on a packed day, and that is enough to sometimes cause the light to come on and off in my car.

Sure, only once a week or so for six miles. And it possibly would only take one minor accident to result in a life-changing event for the baby. It is a decision you will ultimately have to make and live with. But if it were me, I would not do it.


That's why I am testing to make sure the light will come on permanently. I think it flickers on and off due to how the weight is distributed with a heavy bag or a dog.

As long as the airbag is off, I am just not seeing why it is more dangerous than any other car? That's what I am trying to get at. Can you think of a reason?

Haboob 03-14-2013 01:20 PM

It (the Owner's Manual) says that it's a pattern sensor, so it should be able to recognize that there's a child restraint in there:

Quote:

The occupant classification sensor (pattern
sensor) is in the front passenger seat cushion
and is designed to detect an occupant and
objects on the seat. For example, if a child is in
the front passenger seat, the Advanced Air Bag
System is designed to turn the passenger air
bag OFF in accordance with the regulations.
Also, if a child restraint of the type specified in
the regulations is on the seat, the occupant
classification sensor can detect it and cause the
air bag to turn OFF
And it also says,

Quote:

Infants
Infants up to at least one year old should be
placed in a rear facing child restraint. The
passenger seat is not suitable for use with a
rear facing child restraint for infants. Therefore,
infants should not be transported in this vehicle
But it is ultimately up to you.

kenchan 03-14-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2213234)
Infants
Infants up to at least one year old should be
placed in a rear facing child restraint. The
passenger seat is not suitable for use with a
rear facing child restraint for infants. Therefore,
infants should not be transported in this vehicle

hummm! i never considered putting my kids in the car before they were at least 40lbs, but heck, that pretty much sums it up if that's from the official nissan 370z owner's manual. :)

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2213198)
Strap'em down in the hatch it is!

I def. wouldn't get rid of the car, being it's a financial hit and the child is only going to be this small for a short period of time.

If it were me (and may be some day) I'd probably swap cars w/a family member if I needed to go somewhere, then again - they aren't allowed to drive my car so it's more like take a family member's car. :icon23:

My wife works from home with the exception of meetings that requires her to go in. I work 1.5 miles from home and daycare is 2.5 miles from home. I literally would only use the Z to transport baby when she has to go into the office or I have to pick up the baby from daycare in an emergency. I can go buy an old Volvo for $4K, but the car would just sit and take up driveway space as I rarely drive the Z or the SUV as is. What is the point of sinking all the money into cars that you don't get to drive?

Regardless, I really am trying to see if anyone can think of any reasons why you shouldn't have a rear facing child seat WITH THE AIRBAG OFF. The curtain airbag and side airbags are deemed to be safe based on all research. On my SUV, they actually recommend the rear seat that has the airbag over the middle seat for proper LATCH mount.

Haboob 03-14-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213253)
My wife works from home with the exception of meetings that requires her to go in. I work 1.5 miles from home and daycare is 2.5 miles from home. I literally would only use the Z to transport baby when she has to go into the office or I have to pick up the baby from daycare in an emergency. I can go buy an old Volvo for $4K, but the car would just sit and take up driveway space as I rarely drive the Z or the SUV as is. What is the point of sinking all the money into cars that you don't get to drive?

Regardless, I really am trying to see if anyone can think of any reasons why you shouldn't have a rear facing child seat WITH THE AIRBAG OFF. The curtain airbag and side airbags are deemed to be safe based on all research. On my SUV, they actually recommend the rear seat that has the airbag over the middle seat for proper LATCH mount.

I'm against getting a new (used) car just for that purpose too, don't get me wrong.

However, I'm no expert on babies (thankfully :icon17:), but I could see side impact being an issue along with how close it is to the dash/glass?

I've only seen them seated in the middle seat of cars/SUV's, but that could just be the parent's preference or due to space issue w/the seats.

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2213234)
It (the Owner's Manual) says that it's a pattern sensor, so it should be able to recognize that there's a child restraint in there:



And it also says,



But it is ultimately up to you.

I saw it, but the question is WHY? I guess the extra tether point in the back adds as an extra support for the top of the car seat. Outside of that, I can't find anything else.

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2213261)
I'm against getting a new (used) car just for that purpose too, don't get me wrong.

However, I'm no expert on babies (thankfully :icon17:), but I could see side impact being an issue along with how close it is to the dash/glass?

I've only seen them seated in the middle seat of cars/SUV's, but that could just be the parent's preference or due to space issue w/the seats.

Yes I agree with the dash comment as hitting a dash might be harder than hitting a front seat. Glass are laminated no?

It all depends on the size of the car. Many cars now don't even put LATCH on the center seat now as the side seats are not that much worse than the center based on new research.

Haboob 03-14-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213287)
Yes I agree with the dash comment as hitting a dash might be harder than hitting a front seat. Glass are laminated no?

It all depends on the size of the car. Many cars now don't even put LATCH on the center seat now as the side seats are not that much worse than the center based on new research.

The windshield, yes, but the others I don't think so.

Though, I'm sure shattered glass will reach anywhere in any car so that's a moot point.

Other than, "They say so." I can't really think of anything else for or against it.

cossie1600 03-14-2013 01:50 PM

I am not for it either, but it beats buying a beater that is possibly less safe than my newer car.

I am trying to convince my wife to let me trade my car in for a TTS, but she won't do it.

kenchan 03-14-2013 02:11 PM

honda fits are the way to go... (dats you keep your z and get the fit).

MarkGideon 03-14-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213213)
As long as the airbag is off, I am just not seeing why it is more dangerous than any other car? That's what I am trying to get at. Can you think of a reason?

It is not any more dangerous than any other car. However, just like in any other car, forward facing is not the safest for newborn/small babies.

Again, an excerpt from what I posted earlier

Quote:

If the baby is facing forward in a frontal crash, which is the most common and most severe type, the body is held back by the straps — but the head is not. The head is thrust forward, stretching the neck and the easily injured spinal cord.

TheGreatOne 03-14-2013 02:19 PM

I wish I had that problem,

No car seats allowed period in 2 seater cars in Canada.

That would solve my problem, I basically have a 3rd car only to drive this little guy to daycare which to me also seems like a waste

cossie1600 03-14-2013 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkGideon (Post 2213381)
It is not any more dangerous than any other car. However, just like in any other car, forward facing is not the safest for newborn/small babies.

Again, an excerpt from what I posted earlier

That's why he would go in rear facing. He already has a recaro lined up.

MarkGideon 03-14-2013 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2213405)
That's why he would go in rear facing. He already has a recaro lined up.

Missed that part earlier--got it now. In that case, I don't see any reason why rear-facing in the front seat would be a problem as long as the air bag is off. But then, I am not an expert and do not know the law in your state, but in my state it is legal for under 6 to ride in the front seat, properly restrained, if no back seat. The law only requires under 1 to be in rear facing and 1-6 in front facing/booster seat, up to a certain weight/size.

cossie1600 03-14-2013 06:12 PM

Most states have an exception to two seaters. I read Nissan doesn't allow rear facing, I am just more curious as to why since it mounts virtually the same way as the front facing with the exception of an extra tethering spot.

Waiz 03-14-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2213015)
lesson #1 for new pops: baby can not support its head while newborn.

the baby has a better chance of surviving neck injury with proper back facing infant seat. it's not just the airbag issue.

GL with your new baby. :tup:

I think this post should have ended the discussion

I can't believe this is actually being debated :icon14:

cossie1600 03-14-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 2213843)
I think this post should have ended the discussion

I can't believe this is actually being debated :icon14:

Who's debating? First post

Rear facing child seat
I know the car comes with a tether for forward facing child seat along with the airbag being disable. Anyone know if it would be possible to install rear facing child seat (assuming the thing actually fits). I seem to recall someone said Nissan didn't allow it for some reason.

MR.nismo 03-14-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayl (Post 2213035)
did you take any pic's of the rear facing seat in the Z?

Sorry no pics. I don't hold on to evidence that can incriminate me as the worst father ever. That was when he was around 1 to 1/12 years young. Then I purchased the front facing seat, which currently is in use. I figure by late this year or early 2014, he'll be using the booster seat.
And yes when he was little little, with the rear facing car seat the airbag will deactivate. Now between his weight plus the car seat that is heavy enough for the airbag to stay on.

Jasonle 03-14-2013 07:46 PM

is your baby chuckie? lol. God that movie gave me nightmares lol.

axmea? 03-14-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2213020)
lesson #2 for new pops: cover pee pee gun with diaper during change. lol

Protect yourself from baby rain with a pee pee teepee. Had no clue what this was until I saw one two days ago.

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