Car and Driver's Cars Worth Waiting For: 2016 Z

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

A turbo AWD 4 banger from Subaru costs $24K, not almost $40k.

I was referring to the STI model. The $25k WRX is minimalistic to say the least, that's base cost without floormats.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I was referring to the STI model. The $25k WRX is minimalistic to say the least, that's base cost without floormats.

Mine included seat heater and heated windshield wipers at 24.7k OTD

The STI, as I mentioned, includes quite a bit beyond the 370z, like real differentials (vs the WRX which has a viscous like the Z). These things add cost.

Caustic · 05-28-2013, 02:21 PM

Isn't a base 305hp WRX $35000?

Chuck33079 · 05-28-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic

Isn't a base 305hp WRX $35000?

That's the Sti. THe WRX is 265 hp if I remember correctly.

Caustic · 05-28-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

That's the Sti. THe WRX is 265 hp if I remember correctly.

Ah, ok.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Mine included seat heater and heated windshield wipers at 24.7k OTD

The STI, as I mentioned, includes quite a bit beyond the 370z, like real differentials (vs the WRX which has a viscous like the Z). These things add cost.

I was encompassing the AWD system, diffs and all with my comment. From a drivetrain and powertrain standpoint, it delivers a lot, but TBH, there isn't a lot outside of that. People don't buy an EVO or an STI because it is pleasant inside.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I was encompassing the AWD system, diffs and all with my comment. From a drivetrain and powertrain standpoint, it delivers a lot, but TBH, there isn't a lot outside of that. People don't buy an EVO or an STI because it is pleasant inside.

I was actually just in my friend's new Evo MR and was surprised how nice it was inside. Not like, "oh my god this is nice" nice, but "holy crap this is totally not a cheap pos like I expected" nice. And the seats are great.

Chuck33079 · 05-28-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

People don't buy an EVO or an STI because it is pleasant inside.

Ain't that the truth. Mine didn't even come with a radio.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I was encompassing the AWD system, diffs and all with my comment. From a drivetrain and powertrain standpoint, it delivers a lot, but TBH, there isn't a lot outside of that. People don't buy an EVO or an STI because it is pleasant inside.

I don't think anyone buys any of the cars in this segment for their interior.

There's plenty of give and take between the cars, and everyone will have their preferences. I happen to like the Subaru interior, except for the POS door panels.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I don't think anyone buys any of the cars in this segment for their interior.

There's plenty of give and take between the cars, and everyone will have their preferences. I happen to like the Subaru interior, except for the POS door panels.

I can definitely agree. I do enjoy my base Z interior for what it is though. I just wish it had bluetooth as a standard feature. I didn't buy the Z for it's great audio system I'll tell you that. They stick the deck in the Versa and the NV200 cargo van.

m4a1mustang · 05-28-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I can definitely agree. I do enjoy my base Z interior for what it is though. I just wish it had bluetooth as a standard feature. I didn't buy the Z for it's great audio system I'll tell you that. They stick the deck in the Versa and the NV200 cargo van.

Dude... swap the head unit... NOW. Makes a world of a difference. Stock speakers are not all that bad (if you're not an audiophile.)

I have this: Amazon.com: Pioneer AVH-X5500BHS Multimedia DVD Receiver with 7" Motorized Touchscreen Display: Car Electronics

Which I actually only paid $360 for on Amazon a month or so ago.

ZBro16 · 05-28-2013, 03:05 PM

I am fairly minimalist with interior myself. I drove my buddy's new-to-him 2011 M3 last Friday and was in shock about how rough the interior looked at 33,000 miles. My Altima Coupe at 44k miles looked brand new compared to his, and his was MUCH more expensive.

I would rather have something simplistic that will last over something flashy looking that looks like the bottom of a bottle of Armor All in a pocket of denim jeans through one round in the dryer. That really bummed me out to see it considering how overall badass the bimmer was to drive.

Regarding the WRX - I very much like the seats and its interior. It is right on par for where a $26k vehicle should be, especially given its performance capability.

JungleZ · 05-28-2013, 03:14 PM

I'm still waiting for confirmation are they really going lighter and leaner , the head Nissan guy admitted the 370z was a fat heavy pig to jay Leno.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-28-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I can definitely agree. I do enjoy my base Z interior for what it is though. I just wish it had bluetooth as a standard feature. I didn't buy the Z for it's great audio system I'll tell you that. They stick the deck in the Versa and the NV200 cargo van.

Amazon.com: Pioneer AVH-X8500BHS DVD Car Video Receiver: Electronics

Cmike2780 · 05-28-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

I'm still waiting for confirmation are they really going lighter and leaner , the head Nissan guy admitted the 370z was a fat heavy pig to jay Leno.

It's not light, but it's not that heavy. It needs to lose around 300 lbs. with a bump in hp. Any lower and you're sacrificing size/cabin room and increasing the price by using more lightweight materials. It definitely needs to be a tad leaner, but as the GT-R proves, it's not always about weight. Granted it's not nor should it be awd, but some of that GT-R wizardry has to be somewhat usable in a rwd setup.

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ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 14	I am fairly minimalist with interior myself. I drove my buddy's new-to-him 2011 M3 last Friday and was in shock about how rough the interior looked at 33,000 miles. My Altima Coupe at 44k miles looked brand new compared to his, and his was MUCH more expensive. I would rather have something simplistic that will last over something flashy looking that looks like the bottom of a bottle of Armor All in a pocket of denim jeans through one round in the dryer. That really bummed me out to see it considering how overall badass the bimmer was to drive. Regarding the WRX - I very much like the seats and its interior. It is right on par for where a $26k vehicle should be, especially given its performance capability.

05-28-2013, 03:14 PM	#118 (permalink)
JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	I'm still waiting for confirmation are they really going lighter and leaner , the head Nissan guy admitted the 370z was a fat heavy pig to jay Leno.