Car and Driver's Cars Worth Waiting For: 2016 Z

nepali · 03-01-2013, 02:59 PM

Even though it's just a concept, I do not like that design at all (the front looks too tall). Current design looks much better. Oh well, let's see when the actual thing is released.

cheshirecat · 03-01-2013, 03:17 PM

The render is just speculation.

I was hoping for something more revolutionary rather than evolutionary, but I guess let's see what ends up coming out.

danegrey · 03-01-2013, 03:27 PM

do not like the front end...
agree with most, they have to get the power up.....

Dwight Frye · 03-01-2013, 05:16 PM

It's hideous, looks like a fugly Accura. Forget the DI engine, still not proven to be trouble free technology. How about the 350 HP Nismo engine, pare about 300 lbs off, add some soundproofing so it's not so damn loud inside and offer all leather instead of cheezy alcatara and leather ? Doesn't need much else to remain a world class Sports & GT.

VDC_OFF · 03-01-2013, 03:28 PM

I thought people would be more happy to hear the news about not downsizing the engine.

m4a1mustang · 03-01-2013, 03:35 PM

I wish they weren't waiting for 2016 MY.

SS_Firehawk · 03-01-2013, 03:45 PM

LOL, this must be deja vu. I'm pretty sure just a month or two ago, there was a thread about what the Z might be. I'm pretty sure I said VQ with direct injection and same front midship platform. Estimates of 350hp are low to me, but this really isn't ground breaking. I even stated they didn't have a smaller platform to build on, a suitable smaller engine to turbo, and they would use aluminum to reduce weight. About the only thing I see here that may be news is the 2016 launch date. Hate to say it (not really) but I told you so.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:00 PM

I had thought that Nissan was divorcing the Z from the G/Q (lol) platform-wise.

This rendering may prove to be very close to what we see. The side profile is right in line with the silhouette we saw in the Jay Leno video.

The front end in the rendering pulls from current concepts Nissan has debuted, and it's interested to see that this render is pulling from Nissan's design language they have implemented with the Pathfinder.

It's also interesting to see that it is somewhat similar to Mazda's design language in the new CX-5, 6, and the 3 rendering I've seen (the headlights blending into the grill with the body lines).

Like the use of the G IPL wheels for the render. However, I hope they're not at all used in any form.

I will wait patiently. After I offload mine, 18 months should be enough time for me to rebound and purchanse another fun car, and then I can decide on a 2014 Nismo or this little bad boy. Hopefully they do the powertrain right. I would really like to see 400HP, though for that car it may be overkill.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:02 PM

I will also call it now - there will be both a 240Z and a 370Z.

Z_ealot · 03-01-2013, 04:04 PM

one thing people didnt take notice of is they mention it using a VQ engine, but dont say which one. i'm betting to solve the common noise issues with the 3.7 they are going to go back to the VQ35 and add direct injection to it to get to that 350HP mark and solve some of the engine noise issues that people seem to complain about alot.

ZBro16 · 03-01-2013, 04:06 PM

I don't see them reducing displacement, but I do see a revised valvetrain, which is the cause of many of the woes of the current engine (oil temps, high end coarseness).

The BlueMax · 05-27-2013, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

I don't see them reducing displacement, but I do see a revised valvetrain, which is the cause of many of the woes of the current engine (oil temps, high end coarseness).

The VQ 3.7 has no displacement increase, they got the .2liter increase through a longer stroke. Picked up some top end horsepower along with the coarseness, but no troque increase which is a common pickup in V8s

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah, the Z doesn't need to copy Mustang, Corvette or any American cars like so many suggest. We don't need to copy, drive or feel like them behind the wheel. We just need to look in our own Z history and see what worked in the best Z's and combine it.

If people think the Z should beat stangs etc... I think people should plan on buying stangs etc in their future.

Just remember this is a Z forum when you go on the other side...

I think that render is a massive fake. I think C&D's info is unimpressive, false "gahbidge".

The 240Z did a killer job of targeting the Mustang and Camaro...that path has worked well for Nissan and I expect they will continue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The BlueMax

The VQ 3.7 has no displacement increase, they got the .2liter increase through a longer stroke. Picked up some top end horsepower along with the coarseness, but no troque increase which is a common pickup in V8s

What do you mean with the bolded part?

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

This is the problem in a nutshell. It needs to be better to compete at its current price point, but the improvements cost money. It's a fine line between improving the car and killing sales with the price. I'd hate for the Z to get killed off again because the market won't support a $45-50k Z. It'll never have Mustang/Camaro sales. It's much more of a niche product than the domestic pony cars.

It may have become one, but it wasn't historically. Nissan estimated sales of 30K per year with the 370Z and targeted 45K. They certainly didn't build it to be a niche product, even if that is what is has become.

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Originally Posted by Nismodean

The price isn't the problem, the people wanted something to look good and sound good but not be really that good. Quality, people, costs money. Which is why the 370Z costs more than the 350Z. Bigger engine, better interior, more hp/tq, bigger brakes, better technology! You won't get that sh¡t for the same price from the last model. Try to be more realistic please! I mean come on... 35K for the best dollar/performance sports car is NOT bad. I'm about to go out and drive my 370Z and love it, you guys go ahead and stare in misery at yours.....

Since when are Akebonos an upgrade from Brembos?

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Remember that the price they sell it for directly results in the value of the yen. The yen was getting stronger against the dollar for the past few years. It wasn't until recently that it started dropping again. Building a car for X amount of yen, then selling it for X amount of dollars, they need to have a profit margin. Sure there is a few thousand in every vehicle, but it is not out of line with the profit margin of a car that is similarly equipped. Now if they are able to build the Z here in the states, they can reduce the cost for manufacture, but they still need to sell enough to justify that investment. Look at what Subaru and Mitsubishi gives for their sports cars. A turbo 4 banger, AWD and not much else, but it costs the same. Nissan isn't alone in this price conspiracy.

A turbo AWD 4 banger from Subaru costs $24K, not almost $40k.

The additions to the top-tier Subaru and Mitsubishi are real cost-add items like Recaros seats. They may not have value add to everyone, but they affect the bottom-line and there are plenty willing to pay for them.

SS_Firehawk · 05-28-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

A turbo AWD 4 banger from Subaru costs $24K, not almost $40k.

I was referring to the STI model. The $25k WRX is minimalistic to say the least, that's base cost without floormats.

Red__Zed · 05-28-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I was referring to the STI model. The $25k WRX is minimalistic to say the least, that's base cost without floormats.

Mine included seat heater and heated windshield wipers at 24.7k OTD

The STI, as I mentioned, includes quite a bit beyond the 370z, like real differentials (vs the WRX which has a viscous like the Z). These things add cost.

03-01-2013, 02:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
nepali Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 597 Drives: like a maniac! Rep Power: 16	Even though it's just a concept, I do not like that design at all (the front looks too tall). Current design looks much better. Oh well, let's see when the actual thing is released. __________________ '11 SR/6MT/T/S

03-01-2013, 03:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
cheshirecat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,428 Drives: N54 135i Rep Power: 293	The render is just speculation. I was hoping for something more revolutionary rather than evolutionary, but I guess let's see what ends up coming out. TheW3r3W0lf likes this.

03-01-2013, 03:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 72 Posts: 3,194 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 649540	do not like the front end... agree with most, they have to get the power up..... __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

03-01-2013, 03:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 45 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	I thought people would be more happy to hear the news about not downsizing the engine. Mike likes this. __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos

03-01-2013, 03:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I wish they weren't waiting for 2016 MY. Spikuh likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-01-2013, 05:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 16	It's hideous, looks like a fugly Accura. Forget the DI engine, still not proven to be trouble free technology. How about the 350 HP Nismo engine, pare about 300 lbs off, add some soundproofing so it's not so damn loud inside and offer all leather instead of cheezy alcatara and leather ? Doesn't need much else to remain a world class Sports & GT.

03-01-2013, 03:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	LOL, this must be deja vu. I'm pretty sure just a month or two ago, there was a thread about what the Z might be. I'm pretty sure I said VQ with direct injection and same front midship platform. Estimates of 350hp are low to me, but this really isn't ground breaking. I even stated they didn't have a smaller platform to build on, a suitable smaller engine to turbo, and they would use aluminum to reduce weight. About the only thing I see here that may be news is the 2016 launch date. Hate to say it (not really) but I told you so. red z likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

03-01-2013, 04:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 14	I had thought that Nissan was divorcing the Z from the G/Q (lol) platform-wise. This rendering may prove to be very close to what we see. The side profile is right in line with the silhouette we saw in the Jay Leno video. The front end in the rendering pulls from current concepts Nissan has debuted, and it's interested to see that this render is pulling from Nissan's design language they have implemented with the Pathfinder. It's also interesting to see that it is somewhat similar to Mazda's design language in the new CX-5, 6, and the 3 rendering I've seen (the headlights blending into the grill with the body lines). Like the use of the G IPL wheels for the render. However, I hope they're not at all used in any form. I will wait patiently. After I offload mine, 18 months should be enough time for me to rebound and purchanse another fun car, and then I can decide on a 2014 Nismo or this little bad boy. Hopefully they do the powertrain right. I would really like to see 400HP, though for that car it may be overkill.

03-01-2013, 04:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 14	I will also call it now - there will be both a 240Z and a 370Z.

03-01-2013, 04:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,045 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10091	one thing people didnt take notice of is they mention it using a VQ engine, but dont say which one. i'm betting to solve the common noise issues with the 3.7 they are going to go back to the VQ35 and add direct injection to it to get to that 350HP mark and solve some of the engine noise issues that people seem to complain about alot.

03-01-2013, 04:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
ZBro16 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 370 Drives: A Z. Rep Power: 14	I don't see them reducing displacement, but I do see a revised valvetrain, which is the cause of many of the woes of the current engine (oil temps, high end coarseness).

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