They can barely sell 2013 $37,000 sport package z. I highly doubt a price increase to compete with porshe is the best idea, you guys stop with that.
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05-30-2013, 08:36 PM | #167 (permalink) |
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The biggest upgrade Nissan needs take to help sell the Z is in the marketing department. When's the last time you saw a commercial with a Z front and center that wasn't being stretched into a Maxima by an expecting father?
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Imagine how that will go with a 5.0L v8? Quote:
Cars the z needs to worry about in terms of power Porsche Cayman S chrono. BMW 135is Audi TT-S BMW Z4 Possibly the next generation Hyundai gencoupe 3.8? (still questionable if it will be comp?)
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I would prefer the Z continue to targeting "higher-end" vehicles. If they really want a FRS fighter, Silvia all the way. |
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Agree. It will never happen but this is how I picture it. GTR = Halo. Z= Mid-Premium range sports car and a reinvented Silva or 240sx = BRZ/FRS fighter.
The last thing I want is a cheaper Z to boost sales and compete with the FRS/BRZ. |
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It's still a bargin basement Porsche or perhaps fighting with the US Muscle/Pony cars for customers. The other major competitor is the Genesis. About the same (or a little less) weight plus another 25-50 ponies, further chassis refinement, other nettling issues resolved (e.g., fuel starve) and we're there. Ooooh I wants me the next gen Z -- bring on the concept already! On the weight: Anyone know what the Q50 is supposed to be coming in at? I'm guessing we can expect similar weight difference between current Z:current G and next gen Z:Q50.
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Fun factor on that car is high. But FR-S reviews are definitely one-sided and convoluted.
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the z being a japanese mustang It should at least be able to go toe to toe vs the new gen mustang, (lighter weight/ 475hp)
Only way to do this is to go F/i /v8 or drastic weight reduction, I am talking sub 3000lbs with 350+ hp |
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What are you willing to give up to cut that weight? Are you ok with a price increase, since lightweight materials cost more than heavier ones?
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05-31-2013, 01:38 PM | #178 (permalink) |
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I think it's the japanese mustang only because of price AND MOST JAPANESE CARS HAVE RELATIVELY LOW HP. The Z is one of very few RWD cars in japan priced with mid-range hp sedans(250-300hp) and has high hp for japan standards. Most VERY high hp japanese cars are in a high price range, GTR, LFA. Then cheaper high hp cars are usually AWD sedans. EVO, STi... Japans mustang is calling it Japans affordable sport coupe. Which up until the LFA/FR-S. Nissan made all of their coupes for nearly a decade. Fairlady, Skyline and GT-R.
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While I really want the Z to stay relevant against new muscle, Nissan is not Ford and it is entirely plausible that the Z simply won't be able to match the new Mustang at all. Provided Ford gets it right and hits the right marks. Quote:
Things I would look for would be a transaxle setup, DCT and/or better MT, 3000-3100 weight with upwards of 400hp (don't really care how be it NA, FI, etc.). The interior of the Z is already pretty solid and comparable enough imo. Would still like to see the Z start in the $30 range and then scale up to the $60k mark if it needs too. What would be really cool (and I think would work well for Nissan long-term) would be to design a new platform that gets dedicated to the Z and a new Silvia. Have the Silvia be pretty bare bones and live in the $17k-$28k range to get some volume and then have the Z be ~$33k-$60k as a more focused sports car with the GTR staying where it is (although I would like to see it sub-$100k again but whatevs). Silvia could use the current Juke motor up'ed to 2.0L and have it cap around 260-280hp, with the Z using probably whatever they have already come up with. Anyway, that is what I would pay!!! |
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We need th Silvia IF the Z is going to go upscale up to $60k. That will leave the Z possibly starting between $35,000-40,000. The Silvia can start @ $27k and top out @36k and give is the est. 250-300hp. Z would do well with an entry 350hp $35,000 A nismo tuned 400hp $43,000 And maybe a LIMITED twin-turbo 480hp? $55,000
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