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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang Yeah but just remember they stuff a lot of beefy bits in the Z that they don't in the Altima. Drivetrain, reinforcements, etc. Adds up. Oh

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Old 05-30-2013, 09:43 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Yeah but just remember they stuff a lot of beefy bits in the Z that they don't in the Altima. Drivetrain, reinforcements, etc. Adds up.
Oh i know, but the altima is a bigger vehicle as well, with backseats, more safety bits and extra doors and more glass etc. I think it's possible for the z and altima to be equal in weight.
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Oh i know, but the altima is a bigger vehicle as well, with backseats, more safety bits and extra doors and more glass etc. I think it's possible for the z and altima to be equal in weight.
But the Altima also has practically no drivetrain relative to the Z. That's where a lot of the weight comes in.

Anyhoo, if they can cut the weight on the Z that'd be great. And if they can't, at least move some of it back in the chassis. I wouldn't mind if they made the hood a little longer and got the engine further back behind the front axle like on the S2000.
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But the Altima also has practically no drivetrain relative to the Z. That's where a lot of the weight comes in.

Anyhoo, if they can cut the weight on the Z that'd be great. And if they can't, at least move some of it back in the chassis. I wouldn't mind if they made the hood a little longer and got the engine further back behind the front axle like on the S2000.
Yeah, i was thinking that too. More lithe hood, re-extend the wheelbase to redistribute some of that weight.

See this is why im a big proponent of a smaller displacement engine. Alot of the issues is the weight of the VQ

Well at least we know 129lbs was taken off the Q.
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I understand Nissan's financially not in a position to completely revamp the Z and start from scratch. Fortunately, the 370Z is a great starting point. It's lighter, faster, handles better, and has a better interior than the 350Z. If only the next Z can have at least 50 more hp, and a stiffer chassis while keeping the weight down, I'll be extremely happy. More frame reinforcements, and perhaps a retuned VK50VE from the Infiniti FX50 pushing over 400 hp with at least a 7K rpm redline comes to mind.

An FX50 is around $65K, so a similarly powered Z should be between $5K to $10K less than that. Sure, it's wishful thinking, but 500Z has a good ring to it. Oh, and no more boomerang lights please.
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I'd like 2800 lbs with a stiffer chassis, a twin turbo v6 mid-mounted with 400hp/400ft-lb and has a combined EPA of 32MPG. Also, I'd like another inch of headroom and for it to be designed after the 458 Italia. Oh yeah, and it should start at $28,999 and max out at $40,000 fully loaded!!

While I'm at it, I would like the winning numbers to a record powerball/megamillions jackpot with an after taxes take-home of at least $250mil and for Kate Beckinsale to agree to be friends with benefits!

I think that's a good start.
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I understand Nissan's financially not in a position to completely revamp the Z and start from scratch. Fortunately, the 370Z is a great starting point. It's lighter, faster, handles better, and has a better interior than the 350Z. If only the next Z can have at least 50 more hp, and a stiffer chassis while keeping the weight down, I'll be extremely happy. More frame reinforcements, and perhaps a retuned VK50VE from the Infiniti FX50 pushing over 400 hp with at least a 7K rpm redline comes to mind.

An FX50 is around $65K, so a similarly powered Z should be between $5K to $10K less than that. Sure, it's wishful thinking, but 500Z has a good ring to it. Oh, and no more boomerang lights please.


It sounds like you want a corvette to me... Just trade for the C7 if that's what you want?

A 500z idea has no concept of Nissan's history culture and philosophy when it comes to the Z. If you really think a 500Z is a good idea??? Why don't we make the 500z crosstour and sedan too?.

We've deviated enough from Mr. K's original philosophy. It's time to bring it back closer to it's roots.
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Only if it's a VR38 coupled with a CVT and weighs 2800lbs with a max price of $28,999
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I'd like 2800 lbs with a stiffer chassis, a twin turbo v6 mid-mounted with 400hp/400ft-lb and has a combined EPA of 32MPG. Also, I'd like another inch of headroom and for it to be designed after the 458 Italia. Oh yeah, and it should start at $28,999 and max out at $40,000 fully loaded!!

While I'm at it, I would like the winning numbers to a record powerball/megamillions jackpot with an after taxes take-home of at least $250mil and for Kate Beckinsale to agree to be friends with benefits!

I think that's a good start.
Whenever theres a group buy in for eveything you listed let me know because ill take one of everything as well lol
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Big difference between a BRZ fighter and Porshe competition... Guess which way we're going.
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It sounds like you want a corvette to me... Just trade for the C7 if that's what you want?

A 500z idea has no concept of Nissan's history culture and philosophy when it comes to the Z. If you really think a 500Z is a good idea??? Why don't we make the 500z crosstour and sedan too?.

We've deviated enough from Mr. K's original philosophy. It's time to bring it back closer to it's roots.
Did you not read the "wishful thinking" part of my comment? I know this is not going to happen. Besides, I could care less about going back to the roots. What, you'd rather have a BRZ fighter as the next Z? I'd prefer a more powerful Z from the factory. A RWD, 2-seater slotted beneath the GTR is the Z I want. Something to compete with base Vettes and Carreras.
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Did you not read the "wishful thinking" part of my comment? I know this is not going to happen. Besides, I could care less about going back to the roots. What, you'd rather have a BRZ fighter as the next Z? I'd prefer a more powerful Z from the factory. A RWD, 2-seater slotted beneath the GTR is the Z I want. Something to compete with base Vettes and Carreras.
Like you, I don't want the future Z to be in the BRZ category. If Nissan goes that route, looks like I'll be keeping my 13Z for a while then move on to a different car company.

However, if they do add more power, shed weight in the right places, it should improve upon it's great handling and driving dynamics. I would trade up to a newer Z, even if it costs a little more.
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