Nissan Confirms Baby 370Z is Coming Soon

cheshirecat · 01-18-2013, 01:35 PM

It's not "inflation" as much as it is a strong yen versus the dollar. Everything being exported out of Japan right now is pretty expensive. This is extremely apparent in the sportbike market, where bikes that were 8.5k 10 years ago now sell for closer to 13.5k.

Because of this, sportbikes coming out of Europe (Germany/Italy) while historically more expensive than their Japanese couterparts, are now in the same price range.

Japan is worried about the strong yen, and they have every right to be.

Here's an article about it.
Strong Yen Threatens Japan

1st · 01-18-2013, 01:44 PM

Abort that baby!

JungleZ · 01-18-2013, 02:21 PM

I'm getting 15mpg right now, that might be the only thing that sways me for lighter smaller weaker

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2013, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

is GTR going backwards? i dont think so.

i think the issue is 20yr olds in japan not buying cars instead buying anime toys to play dressup or something at home (home as in parent's place). the older folks want to spark interest in wat guys use to play with...cars. but ends up in the hands of middle-aged folks.

ok, im just rambling now. back to topic.

GT-R is a hundred thousand dollar car. We're talking sub $50k market demographic, where the bread &butter is. (volume sales)

1st · 01-18-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st

Abort that baby!

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium

The Z can't move up market. That's what lead to the eventual demise of the Z32. It was exceeding $40k, which was pricey for its time. The Z is supposed to be the budget sports car for the masses. All these new cars nowadays are full of electronic gizmos, and it seems like the unfortunate result of what the market wants nowadays beyond cup holders.

I miss seeing budget pocket rockets in the $15k range. How about a RWD economical pocket rocket with a 1.6L turbo (option)? It serves as an economical starting point for enthusiasts, and is economical for those who want a fun fuel sipping car with a bit of turbo grunt.

If the Z remains in the upper $28k to sub $30k range, it must face stiff competition with the pony cars. Even if it is in a different class, it is already being subjected to such comparos. Look at owners who dropped the Z in favor of Mustangs (no offense, but that's just how it is).

So here's what I think Nissan needs to cover their bases for performance, value, and fuel economy:
Sub $22k FWD: Sentra SE-R (standard 1.6L turbo)
Sub $27k RWD: Silvia (standard 1.6-2.4L turbo)
Sub $34k RWD: Z (3.5-3.8L NA V6 or maybe 2.5-3.0L turbo V6)

Wishful thinking because of inflation.

Do the same, but for curb weight.

fixed

We gotta be realistic when looking at the current market.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kmkraft12

Was there a 3.7 before the 370, or g37. Was there a 3.5 before the 350, or g35.
Was there a 3.8 before the GTR. All engines start somewhere and nissan has been slowly going up in displacement since the start. Why would they go away from a very successful sports car line up to switch to something new before testing it out.

dude are you READING up on Z news or just assuming that because of some past pattern uou think business will be the same???

Do you know anything about the 2016 and 2020 CAFE standards coming up? Do you know that every car company is downsizing their engines.

The Q50 has a 3.5 hybrid and a 3.7. So if the G is any proof of the next gen Z, it would be in the Q50 since the G moniker no longer exists. So with your thinking, the 400Z is still NOT coming. think...

That said, Nissan claims that the G and Z will no longer share platforms, and the Z is set to get a more efficient engine, ie downsized... which further negates your 400Z thinking At best the Z will keep the 3.7 and get a 3.5 hybrid alternative, then make a 4 cyl baby Z.

The 4.0ltr v6 is the most unefficient engine out there. And honestly, once 4 litres, you should probably consider running a v8.

cheshirecat · 01-18-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

GT-R is a hundred thousand dollar car. We're tslking sub $50 where the bread &butter is. (volume sales)

I wound't exactly call sub-50 "volume sales". The Z is a niche car as it is.

As long as the car continues to be a value it will sell to the type of buyers who have been into Z's from the beginning.

Once it starts to lose that "bang for the buck" factor, I think you'll see sales decline.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

I wound't exactly call sub-50 "volume sales". The Z is a niche car as it is.

As long as the car continues to be a value it will sell to the type of buyers who have been into Z's from the beginning.

Once it starts to lose that "bang for the buck" factor, I think you'll see sales decline.

i don't mean volume sales of the Z. I mean offering a sports car to the volume sales market, the under $50k market. Sorry i wasn't clearer.

lemon-fresh · 01-18-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat

It's not "inflation" as much as it is a strong yen versus the dollar. Everything being exported out of Japan right now is pretty expensive. This is extremely apparent in the sportbike market, where bikes that were 8.5k 10 years ago now sell for closer to 13.5k.

Because of this, sportbikes coming out of Europe (Germany/Italy) while historically more expensive than their Japanese couterparts, are now in the same price range.

Japan is worried about the strong yen, and they have every right to be.

Here's an article about it.
Strong Yen Threatens Japan

That is really old news dude. Lets see how the yen is doing now.

USDJPY=X Basic Chart | USD/JPY Stock - Yahoo! Finance

DIGItonium · 01-18-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

fixed

We gotta be realistic when looking at the current market.

I guess it's only because I'm a new homeowner now and the last thing on my mind is buying a new car costing over $30k. I feel old... been going out talking about how things used to be several years ago haha.

cheshirecat · 01-18-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

That is really old news dude. Lets see how the yen is doing now.

USDJPY=X Basic Chart | USD/JPY Stock - Yahoo! Finance

While the figures over the last couple of months are quite dramatic, it's a little early to say that Japan is out of their rut just yet, imo.

grant · 01-18-2013, 05:41 PM

It would be nice to see a car about the size of the original 240Z, why not with a 2.4 turbo?

JungleZ · 01-18-2013, 05:55 PM

Nissan worries me, Nissan North America is a joke in my opinion. They have horrible customer service and don't know crap about their customers wants and needs

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-18-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Nissan worries me, Nissan North America is a joke in my opinion. They have horrible customer service and don't know crap about their customers wants and needs

Customer service isn't bad. But JDM needs to take their sports car entries more seriously in the enthusiast market. Nismo should be 10x more than it is as far as parts and options. Part prices need to come down on the ones that exist and Nissan should be marketing them from point of sale like Chevy, GM and ford do.

I think thats what makes American cars sell like hot cakes over JDM, You learn about aftermarket support while looking at these cars. They'll be ready to roll you out with a brand new exhaust/intake while you sign the paperwork or within 24 hrs. Thats huge... And a BIG selling point. Also parts pricing is 50% less than JDM.

Not a knock cuz i luv my Z, but these are things that would boost z sales.

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cheshirecat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,428 Drives: N54 135i Rep Power: 292	It's not "inflation" as much as it is a strong yen versus the dollar. Everything being exported out of Japan right now is pretty expensive. This is extremely apparent in the sportbike market, where bikes that were 8.5k 10 years ago now sell for closer to 13.5k. Because of this, sportbikes coming out of Europe (Germany/Italy) while historically more expensive than their Japanese couterparts, are now in the same price range. Japan is worried about the strong yen, and they have every right to be. Here's an article about it. Strong Yen Threatens Japan

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