The next gen Z!

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Red__Zed · 12-27-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Obviously photoshopped.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-27-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.

The Z and Mustang 5.0 are regular competitors in pro racing. Just look at the races for the Doran racing team. They're regularly competing with mustangs, camaros, m3's, etc.

You can argue different classes all day long, but an overwhelming majority of consumers (including those who look at performance cars) use price to compare different "classes" of cars. You can't just look at the # of cylinders to determine competitor, especially now when companies are downsizing and adding FI.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-27-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Obviously photoshopped.

You mean the 5.0 badges right? Those are clearly V6 mustangs

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kmkraft12

Those are obviously tuned cars.

As are all race cars, obviously. There is no racing series that just takes cars off the street and puts them on a track without upgrading components for longevity, durability, and performance.

Red__Zed · 12-27-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.

I'll make sure to make my next purchase decision while completely ignoring price.

I do agree that the v6 mustang is probably the closer competitor to the z, though probably not for the same reasons you do.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-27-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'll make sure to make my next purchase decision while completely ignoring price.

I do agree that the v6 mustang is probably the closer competitor to the z, though probably not for the same reasons you do.

I can haz ride in your future Veyron?

JungleZ · 12-27-2012, 07:20 PM

Honda needs a 30-35k sport car in my opinion. I'm pissed they went economy car route..
Hate to say it but if Honda had redid the s2k or came out with something not but ugly with actual torque that's what I would be driving.

JungleZ · 12-27-2012, 07:21 PM

Also anyone see the new c7 looks like 370z gtr and Ferrari had a baby!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-27-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

The Z and Mustang 5.0 are regular competitors in pro racing. Just look at the races for the Doran racing team. They're regularly competing with mustangs, camaros, m3's, etc.

You can argue different classes all day long, but an overwhelming majority of consumers (including those who look at performance cars) use price to compare different "classes" of cars. You can't just look at the # of cylinders to determine competitor, especially now when companies are downsizing and adding FI.

That's exactly my point. You can use price to argue about your purchase. But at the end of the day... there are seperate spec classes. Now you say the Doran races compare them. But I would have to know what's happening under the hood of those cars to argue that. I don't. Modifed racing narrows gaps and that's another ballpark altogether. But whatever... the same 5 guys are gonna argue about the same mustang shyt for the 500th time... The same Z jockers and mustang fanboys run the same argument since the 2011 mustang came out and its pretty silly if you think about it.

1. This is a Z forum so bias is going for a Z.
2. Mustang jockers are trying to convert the thinking of people that want to be one sided.
3. Mustangs and Z's from stock are two different types of cars.
4. BRZ's are totally different from us and stangs.

Damn, I have a Titan pick up that's 40k... let me stack it up against my Z since they both run about $40k. Oh, the Nismo and Landrover evoque... yeah that'll work???? Come on dudes. Specs mean everything.

No car gets put up against everything under the sun as the Z does over price... lol

Ego comparison. Even when the mustang 4.6 was getting taken down by Z's, I always saw two totally different cars. But to each his own I guess. Enjoy 501 arguing the same argument.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-27-2012, 07:34 PM

Just like how a base Corvette is comparable to a Ferrari 458.

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2012, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Honda needs a 30-35k sport car in my opinion. I'm pissed they went economy car route..
Hate to say it but if Honda had redid the s2k or came out with something not but ugly with actual torque that's what I would be driving.

Unfortunately Honda won't build anything fun ever again. It's part of their new design philosophy.

How to build a new model Honda:

1) Come up with a great idea

2) Ruin it

3) Production!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-27-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Unfortunately Honda won't build anything fun ever again. It's part of their new design philosophy.

How to build a new model Honda:

1) Come up with a great idea

2) Ruin it

3) Production!

GM and Chrysler stepped up... Somebody has to suck now. Honda, Toyota were eager to fill that gap. Lol.

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's exactly my point. You can use price to argue about your purchase. But at the end of the day... there are seperate spec classes. Now you say the Doran races compare them. But I would have to know what's happening under the hood of those cars to argue that. I don't. Modifed racing narrows gaps and that's another ballpark altogether. But whatever... the same 5 guys are gonna argue about the same mustang shyt for the 500th time... The same Z jockers and mustang fanboys run the same argument since the 2011 mustang came out and its pretty silly if you think about it.

1. This is a Z forum so bias is going for a Z.
2. Mustang jockers are trying to convert the thinking of people that want to be one sided.
3. Mustangs and Z's from stock are two different types of cars.
4. BRZ's are totally different from us and stangs.

Damn, I have a Titan pick up that's 40k... let me stack it up against my Z since they both run about $40k. Oh, the Nismo and Landrover evoque... yeah that'll work???? Come on dudes. Specs mean everything.

No car gets put up against everything under the sun as the Z does over price... lol

Ego comparison. Even when the mustang 4.6 was getting taken down by Z's, I always saw two totally different cars. But to each his own I guess. Enjoy 501 arguing the same argument.

The problem with specs is you're being too specific.

Most people shop based on very broad segments. Mustang, 370Z, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. could all be thrown into the "Sports Car / Sporty Car" segment. So they'll get compared against one another as long as they are close in price.

Will they look at a Tundra? No, because it's not a "sports car / sporty car."

That's just the way the world works.

m4a1mustang · 12-27-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

GM and Chrysler stepped up... Somebody has to suck now. Honda, Toyota were eager to fill that gap. Lol.

Speaking of Toyota... have you seen the crash test results for the Camry and Prius in the new "small overlap" IIHS test? Holy crap they were HORRIBLE. I was always under the impression that Toyota was pretty good at crash structure.

The driver would be absolutely MANGLED in this type of crash.

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