The next gen Z!

cavemancan

A sport 370 Z and a Nismo have almost zero differences on a track. The Nismo edition is just another way for Nissan to squeeze our pockets so it is not the fair price point. Rather the 370 z Sport at $34k should be the fair price point therefore the Boss is much more expensive.

Now I do think you made a valid point. Did not know the 2011 Mustangs improved there suspension to the point its at now. So I take back my comment with one exception:

- That is the best solid axel Ive ever seen BUT still a poor design. An uneducated guess would be that the 2011 Mustang prob wont get any better with that axel. And I still dont like the way they look.

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cavemancan

The Boss 302 package is a performance package is it not? One that clearly works and makes the mustang much faster.

The Nismo package does nothing more then make it pretty. Touring adds some bells and whisltes but thats it. The Sports package is the only relevant package at what $34k. So $34k 370z compared to a $40k Mustang is not a fair compareson. You can add a butt load of after market for that price difference.

Either way I resinded my comment concerning the newer mustangs with exception.

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b1adesofcha0s

1) Regardless of whether or not the Nismo is fairly priced, it's still within the range of the Boss. If not a Nismo, you can take a look at a Sport/Touring/Nav Z and it will be pretty close to $40k as well.

2) Solid axle might not be the best suspension design, but they found a way to make it work and that's all that matters. It's going away with the next gen Mustang and the looks are supposed to be more modern as well. The next gen 5.0 is currently #1 on my list of potential next cars. C7 could be an option as well. Nissan would have to do some major performance upgrades for me to consider getting another Z again, especially with the way it's price has been creeping up year after year with no real improvements.

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b1adesofcha0s

The Nismo comes with 18 HP more than the base or sport pkg Z and a slightly different suspension. How is this not a performance package? Prices are the same either way, doesn't matter if they are actually worth it or not. The Nismo (Nissan Motorsports) is considered the performance model of the 370Z, just like the Boss is considered the performance model of the Mustang (in addition to the GT500, but that's a different story).

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cavemancan

It is not...Sport model MSRP is $36,900 and Boss is $42,200. Thats still over $5k difference.

Because 18 more HP and suspension components did nothing for it's track times as compared to a base Sport model.

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b1adesofcha0s

All I'm hearing from you is "it's not a fair comparison because Ford's performance package was effective and Nissan's wasn't."

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cavemancan

HAHAHAHA

Shut it!

The only thing Ford makes that I would buy is the Ford GT! Now that is Epic! Chasis doesn't look big and fat...Interior is just plain awesome...Low and Mean!

Ironically the Z took a while to grow on me. I thought it looked fat as well when I first saw it. I thought the body style was nice but just seemed like it needed to go on a diet. If they can make a compact/light weight 6 or 8 and still reduce the weight of the Z in other areas I think we have a winner.

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Red__Zed

since when? the Boss makes 444hp, and the 5.0 makes 420.


That's less than 5% over the base model...the Nismo is more than a 5% kick in HP

Red__Zed

is the 5.0 somehow not a 'standard' model?

b1adesofcha0s

Lol sorry man, it was just a really slow day at work today

It's certainly marketed as a performance package over just a looks package. It's a functional body kit, not for looks.

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b1adesofcha0s

I think he's comparing it to the V6 Mustang.

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UNKNOWN_370

The body kit on the Nismo creates more downforce, wider tires slightly improve the grip. Tighter spring ratio make the car more stable in turns. While the Nismo performance upgrade doesn't change performance numbers. It creates a better more racy driving experience... Yes its true that about 1800 in mods can give u the same performance as a sport. Track times don't even need the Nismo pkg. But you will be putting more effort to be track stable.

The stang Boss302... you know nothing about that car. With the 2013 GT packages you can make a Boss without the Boss Body. The Nismo and the stang don't qualify on the same track if we're looking for proper matches. I wish people would stop comparing Z's and Stangs... And if you want to compare the two? Sadly, the V6 is the Z competitor. Which its still not in the same league.


Lastly... wasn't this a BRZ thread? This thread has become garbage due to wick wack posting.

b1adesofcha0s

This was a next gen Z thread. The 5.0 Mustang is a competitor to the Z as a performance car in the same price range, so I think it's a fair discussion and comparison.

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Red__Zed

good to know the Z can win against a car that costs half as much, since that is how we define "competitors"



no, I'm pretty sure it never was a BRZ thread.

UNKNOWN_370

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.