The next gen Z!

speedfreek

I do what I can


And SS_Firehawk the question isn't why, the question is why not. In the Porsche lineup the die hards will pay the premium to get that turbo badge on it. And is a BRZ STI really an STI without a turbo? Like Unknown_370 said these are confirmed. The FRS will get the optional TRD Supercharger treatment just like the Tc.

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edub370

Brz.sti will be 250hp na. Would love to know where these get these random facts

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speedfreek

Yes the initial release of the STI was supposed to be a 20-30hp bump na. Then the release was changed to have a turbo. I am assuming since they are releasing a turbo this trumps the na version. Subaru confirmed turbo. Not random facts. I guess you can just wait a couple years to see it hit dealer floors to have your confirmation since we can't fast forward time.

But by your logic I do not understand where you get the BRZ STI will be 250hp na (220-230 stated by Subaru). Would love to know where these random facts come from. I mean I can't put my hands on one so it is just random facts and Subaru hasn't confirmed that either right?

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UNKNOWN_370

I have links above on the BRZ.

b1adesofcha0s

2/3 of your BRZ links say no turbo for the BRZ

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b1adesofcha0s

One of them said that a turbo charged version of the BRZ's FA engine will be going into the new WRX/STi, but not in the BRZ itself.

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SS_Firehawk

The sources for the Cayman has not been confirmed, nor has a renowned automotive publisher said anything regarding this. It doesn't make sense that they would put a turbo 4 in another Porsche either. Noone will buy a 911 with a flat 4, noone will buy a Panamera with a flat 4, noone will buy a Cayanne with a flat 4, maybe if they offered a smaller SUV, but why would Porsche compete that low in the market?

I obviously like FI, as I'm having two superchargers being slapped on my car, I don't dispute that FI has done amazing things for the tuner market, so I agree with you guys on this. I just like seeing a confirmation from the automaker. Sometimes the things we ask for are terrible ideas. Thunderbird, Chevy SSR, PT Cruiser, Prowler (needed a V8), Aztek?!?, reinvented Cougar (thank God they euthanized it) I think we all can agree, anything that improves upon what we have today is a move in the right direction, regardless if they go NA or FI

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ZBro16

The regular BRZ at my local dealer has a $31k sticker on it. It is fully loaded with nav and a couple other dealer installed accessories. There is no way a turbo version won't be close to $40k.

cavemancan

I think your the only one that gets it in my opinion. Smaller displacement forced induction is the key for many reasons.

Engine Ideas:
- BMW still uses an inline 6 turbo making rediculous power and torque (See Series 1 M)...I would suggest Nissan consider a lighter weight inline 6 Turbo. This will not only lower the weight of the car (Perhaps 50 to 100 lbs) but it will fix the biggest issue the Z has...Weight distribution. Does it have to be inline...No but a smaller forced induced 6 would be ideal. Everyone likes big HP numbers but spinning tires does not equal performance. Power to weight ratio does.

- Let's not hate on the idea of a smaller engine (I have to admit I kinda do). Look at it this way...Hyandai did one thing right...It gave 2 options. A 4 cycl and a 6. Nissan should do the same to help bring there MPG numbers up.

Chasis Ideas:
- The technology for affordable light wieght exists. My old car (Mazda Rx8) weighed in north of 2900 lbs and it had 2 more seats, doors, and a bigger trunk (none of which are requirements for the Z). My point is the Z still has weight to shed and using all/partial aluminum frame is feasible. I would say they should focus on making materials in the front lighter.

Drivetrain:
- I wish for a rear mounted tranny like the Vettes and Porsches...mmmm...but reality sucks!

You dont have to do much...smaller dispacement v6 or i6 turbo and more use of Aluminum. Outcome will be a 3000 lbs car with 350 + HP with better handling. You want more torque...well a lighter car will feel like it has a crap tone more torque at the same HP/TQ numbers we have now. Throwing HP and TQ does not work if it is not engineered to fit the chasis.

Now wouldn't the idea of a modern 300Z TT with the specs mentioned above be nice...

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SS_Firehawk

Caveman, how is an inline 6 with turbo's lighter than a naturally aspirated V6 with no turbos? Displacement doesn't necessarily change the size of the motor. The physical size of the VQ hasn't changed, just it's displacement. Same with the LSx motors range from 5.3 all the way to 7 liters... physical dimensions are the same. Then you add the weight of the turbo's, intercooler, piping, strengthened components. It will not be lighter. 4 cylinder turbo motors don't save much weight over a V6. And to make an existing engine physically smaller, well that's pretty much impossible without redesigning it entirely.

I think you failed to read through this thread entirely. Not only that, your comparing an RX-8 of all things. It had a chassis specifically engineered for only one car, had a rotary that weighs very little, again used on only one car, and a drivetrain made to handle it's puny 159 lbft of torque. The RX-8 was an expensive vehicle to engineer. They did it out of passion, not because it made any sense. Remember that Renault is running Nissan, they won't even entertain the idea. From an engineering and bean counter standpoint, Nissan is not going to move the Z to a dedicated chassis. One thing Nissan can take from Mazda is their skyactive idea. Improve mileage from a combination of sources, which has been posted by myself and others multiple times.

I'm not attacking your idea's as if they are bad, it just doesn't work for this scenario.

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edub370

But the links quote hearsay or speculation... No facts

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speedfreek

I think we have reached the point of no return as far as talking about the next gen Z.

But as far as the BRZ goes. Where do you get that it is speculation? Unless all the news outlets are trolling the BRZ/FRS platform stating they are getting turbo/supercharged treatments respectively. Multiple sources are stating that both Toyota and Subaru confirm that it is in the works.

Subaru confirms turbocharged version of BRZ engine - Top Speed

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b1adesofcha0s

There really aren't any credible sources confirming this. Look at the dates for the articles you're posting. That one there is from a year ago. More recent articles say that the BRZ STi is going to be N/A. Looks like the plans are to turbo charge that engine for use in the next gen WRX/STi, but not the BRZ.

2014 Subaru BRZ STI To Offer Up To 230 HP Sans Turbo: Report

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b1adesofcha0s

They want to keep the BRZ below the new WRX/STi so they will not turbo it.

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