The next gen Z!

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

More aluminum and possibly more CF as well.

hopefully more CF lol i still have every intention on switchin to a GT-R asap though lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

I dont think so. i mean with some steel parts swapped for aluminum you could save some but then beings in safety issues. stock 370 weighs 3232lbs. 232 pounds could prorbably be shaved without costing ridiculous Porsche "over"-prices.

With a V6 and safety equipment???? for 30k? I don't see it. The cost of alloys that are sports car worthy are high. As it stands right now we have a shytload of aluminum and carbon fiber. Remember, our cars are 92lbs lighter without the airbag system. Our seats, radio and motor are lightweight along with our radiator housing, driveshaft, and wheels. the only thing we can do is go all aluminum on the body which may shave another 80 lbs, make the airbags lighter, maybe 20 lbs? and make the engine smaller. 100 lbs. Thin out the interior and put an even lighter weight sound system. maybe 40 lbs? Go smaller wheels next time. 17 and 18 another 24 lbs?
Possible but how much will the car be with more of the expensive alloys and carbon fiber we already have without reducing engine size?

smaller chassis and engine, we can use more alloys while still using minumum alloys in cost.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-11-2012, 02:42 PM

Don't forget that they wanted to make the cars dimensions a bit smaller too.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

With a V6 and safety equipment???? for 30k? I don't see it. The cost of alloys that are sports car worthy are high. As it stands right now we have a shytload of aluminum and carbon fiber. Remember, our cars are 92lbs lighter without the airbag system. Our seats, radio and motor are lightweight along with our radiator housing, driveshaft, and wheels. the only thing we can do is go all aluminum on the body which may shave another 80 lbs, make the airbags lighter, maybe 70 lbs? and make the engine smaller. 100 lbs. Thin out the interior and put an even lighter weight sound system. maybe 40 lbs? Go smaller wheels next time. 17 and 18 another 24 lbs?
Possible but how much will the car be with more of the expensive alloys and carbon fiber we already have without reducing engine size?

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 (4.4 with optional 7 speed DCT) in the Cayman S with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=b1adesofcha0s;2055359]Don't forget that they wanted to make the cars dimensions a bit smaller too.[/QUOTE

Our VQ barely fits in the chassis we have now. lol

edub370 · 12-11-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 (4.4 with optional 7 speed DCT) in the Cayman S with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

Common dude. Are u comparing freakin quarter mile times to distinguish these two cars? Take a cayman around a corner, or evaluate how everything is put together on the 2 cars then maybe u will understand why they are "way too much".

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models

jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 in the Cayman R with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

I know what you mean, I mean 30k range, should have sid that. I think we'll see a drop in the base price of the next gen Z by $1000 from the 2014 model. Nissan always does that at the start of a new generation with the Z. But the upper prices are going to be higher than whats out i'm sure.

I'm not saying a lighter car will cost porsche prices. I'm saying that the v6 wont be able to make a 3000 lb car and thats the goal. To keep the V6 it would be too costly. Corvette is a 3100lb v8, look at its pricing. with a discount it starts @ 44k, without 50k. Nissan doesn't discount Z pricing and they will not be giving us corvette,cayman chassis designs for half off. lol Thats all I'm saying. Maybe hyundai can though?

They're the kings of discount performance.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-11-2012, 03:00 PM

They could go with a smaller displacement turbo V6.

SS_Firehawk · 12-11-2012, 03:01 PM

A couple easy way's for them to shave weight... Remove the spare, and make run flats standard, and make the entire frame all aluminum while using steel where absolutely necessary. I don't think Nissan is going to shrink their wheelbase much lower than 100 inches, that's just asking for a twitchy and darty car. Nissan did not necessarily confirm that they were going smaller, but they did say they will not go larger, and intend to reduce the weight. The size of the vehicle is fine, there is plenty of ways to reduce the weight. And for the record, the V6 easily fits, they cram V6's in smaller spots. BTW, some of the costs is because they only build them in Japan.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I know what you mean, I mean 30k range, should have sid that. I think we'll see a drop in the base price of the next gen Z by $1000 from the 2014 model. Nissan always does that at the start of a new generation with the Z. But the upper prices are going to be higher than whats out i'm sure.

I'm not saying a lighter car will cost porsche prices. I'm saying that the v6 wont be able to make a 3000 lb car and thats the goal. To keep the V6 it would be too costly. Corvette is a 3100lb v8, look at its pricing. with a discount it starts @ 44k, without 50k. Nissan doesn't discount Z pricing and they will not be giving us corvette,cayman chassis designs for half off. lol Thats all I'm saying. Maybe hyundai can though?

They're the kings of discount performance.

hence why hyundai's performance is far less lol you ever race a genesis coupe? it's a joke

also you can get discounts you just gotta know the right people....trust me.

RonZwanson · 12-11-2012, 03:03 PM

@UNKNOWN_370

I saw that video a couple weeks ago. The 240 I was referencing was the 240sx. I'm surprised Jay was so excited to be going to Nissan. He's always talked about how the Z (newer ones) never did much for him. Not bad-mouthing them, just not his taste. I guess he was just into it for the history, as a car guy.

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

They could go with a smaller displacement turbo V6.

3.0 again? haha

FPenvy · 12-11-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

A couple easy way's for them to shave weight... Remove the spare, and make run flats standard, and make the entire frame all aluminum while using steel where absolutely necessary. I don't think Nissan is going to shrink their wheelbase much lower than 100 inches, that's just asking for a twitchy and darty car. Nissan did not necessarily confirm that they were going smaller, but they did say they will not go larger, and intend to reduce the weight. The size of the vehicle is fine, there is plenty of ways to reduce the weight. And for the record, the V6 easily fits, they cram V6's in smaller spots.

waitttttt asecond....are we still talking about cars?

kenchan · 12-11-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

So i've been reading that the next gen is going to be maybe smaller in size, leaner and instead of using the current 3.7 liter v6, they are going to use a turbo 4.

Personally i don't like that idea. I would like them to improve on the v6 if possible.

What do you guys think?

i donno, i'd have to see the final specs and drive it to give you an opinion. if that 4banger turbo can be had reducing overall weight of the car, that can be a good thing. i'd like to keep the car to do at least sub-5.5sec 0-60 and if overall size and weight can be reduced for a tighter handling car, i might actually like it.

i think technology is the key here... this next gen 4 banger could be nothing like the 4bangers we've seen in the past.

DLSTR · 12-11-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370

Common dude. Are u comparing freakin quarter mile times to distinguish these two cars? Take a cayman around a corner, or evaluate how everything is put together on the 2 cars then maybe u will understand why they are "way too much".

Well said. Driving is so much more than 0-60 etc. Try actually using the car, all 6 or 7 gears on roads that arent straight. The difference between European and US driving is readily apparent in a lack of obsession here with straight line speeds.

Brake performance and cornering matter sooooooooooooooooooo much more than just stomping the gas.

They are both good sports cars. Im happy with my Z and would be with a Cayman as well. If you have either life is good.

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SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	A couple easy way's for them to shave weight... Remove the spare, and make run flats standard, and make the entire frame all aluminum while using steel where absolutely necessary. I don't think Nissan is going to shrink their wheelbase much lower than 100 inches, that's just asking for a twitchy and darty car. Nissan did not necessarily confirm that they were going smaller, but they did say they will not go larger, and intend to reduce the weight. The size of the vehicle is fine, there is plenty of ways to reduce the weight. And for the record, the V6 easily fits, they cram V6's in smaller spots. BTW, some of the costs is because they only build them in Japan. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction Last edited by SS_Firehawk; 12-11-2012 at 03:05 PM.

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RonZwanson Base Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 130 Drives: 2009 Black MT Sport Rep Power: 14	@UNKNOWN_370 I saw that video a couple weeks ago. The 240 I was referencing was the 240sx. I'm surprised Jay was so excited to be going to Nissan. He's always talked about how the Z (newer ones) never did much for him. Not bad-mouthing them, just not his taste. I guess he was just into it for the history, as a car guy. __________________ It's a racing hen! Last edited by RonZwanson; 12-11-2012 at 03:06 PM.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	[QUOTE=b1adesofcha0s;2055359]Don't forget that they wanted to make the cars dimensions a bit smaller too.[/QUOTE Our VQ barely fits in the chassis we have now. lol