The next gen Z!

Red__Zed · 12-16-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I was not talking about engine configuration.

I think you missed the point.

RoshDawg · 12-16-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

True but... I see direct injection as a high tech band-aid for outdated engines. I think the VQ has taught nissan a lot about what is good and bad in a high performance engine. Imho, producing a brand new platform that harnesses the good of the VQ and is engineered to not have any of the bad side of the VQ, would be logical.

Besides, we've run over a decade with the VQ in some form or fashion. Me personally, having owned in recent years a G35,altima 3.5 se, G37s and two Z34's... I'm ready for nissan to try a whole different engine. I think I have received the full VQ experience.

Edit: and so is cvt!

SS_Firehawk · 12-16-2012, 02:31 AM

Did you guys see how long GM stuck to it's 3800 series motors? Honda is still using it's SOHC. Direct Injection is definitely not a band-aid and takes re engineering to package it. I think this may be the last full revision of the VQ before it's replaced, I just don't think Nissan is going to leave their venerable motor die off without hitting it's pinnacle. That VQ is in the GTR destroying the confidence of rich people everywhere. I don't see mny complaints about it's application there. And the CVT's aren't going anywhere. It's not a bad option, they are more efficient, smoother, lighter, and more compact. I own an 11' Maxima and it's a fantastic vehicle. When vehicles start having more gears than our bicycles, you won't know the difference. It's all in the programming.

Red__Zed · 12-16-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Did you guys see how long GM stuck to it's 3800 series motors?

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Honda is still using it's SOHC.

Where? The R's are completely different than the D.

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That VQ is in the GTR destroying the confidence of rich people everywhere. I don't see mny complaints about it's application there.

Probably because there isn't one.

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And the CVT's aren't going anywhere. It's not a bad option, they are more efficient, smoother, lighter, and more compact. I own an 11' Maxima and it's a fantastic vehicle. When vehicles start having more gears than our bicycles, you won't know the difference. It's all in the programming.

There's a fundamental materials advance that needs to happen before the cvt is a legit contender in anything performance based.

RoshDawg · 12-16-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

There's a fundamental materials advance that needs to happen before the cvt is a legit contender in anything performance based.

@Firehawk, wasn't bashing their performance in non sports cars.

I do hope Nissan focuses on the other important things as well. Such as transmission, braking, and steering feel. I really feel like they'll make the jump to dual clutches.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-16-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Did you guys see how long GM stuck to it's 3800 series motors? Honda is still using it's SOHC. Direct Injection is definitely not a band-aid and takes re engineering to package it. I think this may be the last full revision of the VQ before it's replaced, I just don't think Nissan is going to leave their venerable motor die off without hitting it's pinnacle. That VQ is in the GTR destroying the confidence of rich people everywhere. I don't see mny complaints about it's application there. And the CVT's aren't going anywhere. It's not a bad option, they are more efficient, smoother, lighter, and more compact. I own an 11' Maxima and it's a fantastic vehicle. When vehicles start having more gears than our bicycles, you won't know the difference. It's all in the programming.

Skylines are just as revered, if not MORE revered in Japan. The VQ would be better suited in the car that made the VQ famous in the first place. The Skyline/G37.

SS_Firehawk · 12-16-2012, 05:10 PM

Contrary to Red_Zed belief, it is an extension of the VQ family. Was also referring to the J series motors as they are V6's that are more of a direct comparison to the VQ.

Red__Zed · 12-16-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Contrary to Red_Zed belief, it is an extension of the VQ family. Was also referring to the J series motors as they are V6's that are more of a direct comparison to the VQ.

"Extension of" being the key phrase--what exactly is shared between the two again?

J series? You mean the screamer from the MDX that is several years newer? I guess I missed where the j was being put into a rwd sport coupe.

SS_Firehawk · 12-16-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

"Extension of" being the key phrase--what exactly is shared between the two again?

J series? You mean the screamer from the MDX that is several years newer? I guess I missed where the j was being put into a rwd sport coupe.

You come in to every forum tagging everything in quotes trying to disassemble an argument, try again when you are actually correct.

J series are in every single Honda vehicle that has a V6. And since when did chassis have anything to do with an argument over engine design? Honda went with the SOHC design because it's more compact and easier to fit trans-mounted. Again though, not part of the argument. As a reminder, it was why Nissan is sticking with the VQ and not redesigning it. BTW, the VQ is only a few years older than the J series.

The entire engine block share the same design concepts with other VQ's. I'll let pictures do the talking, everyone likes pictures.

Looks like family to me... CVT wasn't brought up as a potential use for performance vehicles, sometimes I agree with you, but this is one of the many things we don't meet eye to eye with.

Red__Zed · 12-16-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

You come in to every forum tagging everything in quotes trying to disassemble an argument, try again when you are actually correct.

J series are in every single Honda vehicle that has a V6. And since when did chassis have anything to do with an argument over engine design? Honda went with the SOHC design because it's more compact and easier to fit trans-mounted. Again though, not part of the argument. As a reminder, it was why Nissan is sticking with the VQ and not redesigning it. BTW, the VQ is only a few years older than the J series.

yes, two years. the discussion was specifically around continuing the VQ in the Z, not in general. I imagine Nissan will continue to use it in SUVs and other such vehicles. They may even continue in the Z, but doing so is basically giving up on being competitive in the market.

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The entire engine block share the same design concepts with other VQ's. I'll let pictures do the talking, everyone likes pictures.

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good lord. I hope you are trolling.

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Looks like family to me... CVT wasn't brought up as a potential use for performance vehicles, sometimes I agree with you, but this is one of the many things we don't meet eye to eye with.

trollol

CSA0890 · 12-16-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

You come in to every forum tagging everything in quotes trying to disassemble an argument, try again when you are actually correct.

J series are in every single Honda vehicle that has a V6. And since when did chassis have anything to do with an argument over engine design? Honda went with the SOHC design because it's more compact and easier to fit trans-mounted. Again though, not part of the argument. As a reminder, it was why Nissan is sticking with the VQ and not redesigning it. BTW, the VQ is only a few years older than the J series.

The entire engine block share the same design concepts with other VQ's. I'll let pictures do the talking, everyone likes pictures.

Looks like family to me... CVT wasn't brought up as a potential use for performance vehicles, sometimes I agree with you, but this is one of the many things we don't meet eye to eye with.

Edit: Im dumb

SS_Firehawk · 12-17-2012, 01:39 AM

Those are pictures of the HR and the VR block. More akin to comparing an LS2 to an LS7. What Im saying is it is indeed part of the VQ family and designed to meet the higher demands of forced induction. The J series was referred only as a cited argument to long cycles of use before a complete redesign of an engine. There are more similarities than differences between the pics. A closed deck is not significantly different than and open. VHR blocks can be purchased as closed decks.

tvfreakazoid · 12-18-2012, 08:05 AM

OH man. How about telling if they will stick with the 6cyn at least

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Originally Posted by RN SHRRK

Don't people realize the BRZ/FRS does NOT compete with the Z? That is ---SX territory. I wouldn't be surprised to see Nissan bring a RWD SX back into the lineup. The Z will most likely stay a V6...but who knows. Since I live close to Nissan Design North America and am friends with Randy Rodriguez, I'll try to get some info out of him! Kidding.
(He's not telling. I've already tried)

SS_Firehawk · 12-20-2012, 02:44 PM

They gonna give it a back seat too? And Prius tires? Where's my ROFLcopter? While we are at it, lets give it cast 17x7 in rims and a plastic interior.

theDreamer · 12-20-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kmkraft12

There is no chance that the new Z will be a 6 cylinder. It isn't the market that is selling the most at the time. The new engine will most likely be a straight four turbo running anywhere from 220-300 horsepower. The new car is going to be aimed at the BRZ/FRS, and Genesis Coupe market. Nissan also has a "quota" for Mpg that they need to make and a turbo four is the way to go at the time.

You do realize that Nissan has the Leaf (and working on other electric & electric hybrids) which helps counter balance the Z & GT-R MPG ratings, as the whole CAFE rating system is a collective number and not per individual car, yet.

12-16-2012, 02:31 AM	#183 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Did you guys see how long GM stuck to it's 3800 series motors? Honda is still using it's SOHC. Direct Injection is definitely not a band-aid and takes re engineering to package it. I think this may be the last full revision of the VQ before it's replaced, I just don't think Nissan is going to leave their venerable motor die off without hitting it's pinnacle. That VQ is in the GTR destroying the confidence of rich people everywhere. I don't see mny complaints about it's application there. And the CVT's aren't going anywhere. It's not a bad option, they are more efficient, smoother, lighter, and more compact. I own an 11' Maxima and it's a fantastic vehicle. When vehicles start having more gears than our bicycles, you won't know the difference. It's all in the programming. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

12-16-2012, 05:10 PM	#187 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Contrary to Red_Zed belief, it is an extension of the VQ family. Was also referring to the J series motors as they are V6's that are more of a direct comparison to the VQ. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

12-17-2012, 01:39 AM	#192 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	Those are pictures of the HR and the VR block. More akin to comparing an LS2 to an LS7. What Im saying is it is indeed part of the VQ family and designed to meet the higher demands of forced induction. The J series was referred only as a cited argument to long cycles of use before a complete redesign of an engine. There are more similarities than differences between the pics. A closed deck is not significantly different than and open. VHR blocks can be purchased as closed decks. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

12-20-2012, 02:44 PM	#194 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	They gonna give it a back seat too? And Prius tires? Where's my ROFLcopter? While we are at it, lets give it cast 17x7 in rims and a plastic interior. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction