The next gen Z!

Dustin@Z1 · 12-14-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Wasn't that supposed to be the "mini-Z"? Is Nissan still doing that?

I did not know about that. I know that the coupe was targeted as being more "sporty". But the price tag on the SR V6 coupe model was ridiculous. You could pick up a base+sport model 370Z for what Nissan was asking.

It is a great looking car in my opinion. If they would have made it RWD even with the QR25 engine ONLY it would have been a blast.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-14-2012, 12:48 PM

Yeah I always thought it would make more sense for Nissan to make the altima coupe into that instead of a whole separate car.

hadokenuh · 12-14-2012, 12:59 PM

I'd buy a turboed 4 Z if it's less than 3000 lbs.

I think what they really need to do is to improve the shifting quality on the 6MT and road noise. Some road noise is ok, but excessive road noise makes DD too difficult.

Magic Bus · 12-14-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

A turbo 4 in a Z just sounds like a bad idea. No one wants it. People who don't own a current or previous Z won't want it, and guys in Mustangs and Camaro's won't trade for it. The fight for efficiency ends when Marketing tells the the boss, no one will buy it, the Boss will tell the engineers to do what Marketing says. Stick with the 6. Last time I checked, people driving fast cars don't need revolutionary fuel economy, just enough to get past regs.

Not sure if no one wants a turbo 4 z, but I know I wouldn't want one. Got an 11 GTI turbo 4. I know it's only 200hp (so don't flame me), but has 207 tq @1,700 revs and is only 3,100 lbs, plus well under $30k OTD. Many mags rate this as the best car in it's class with linear power. While it's a very nice car and fun to drive, I wouldn't buy another.

Here's why, the mags say linear power, however it's a turbo & there is definitely lag (how can that be linear? sorry head snappin enthusiasts). Not good for city or in stop & go traffic. Our NA 6's is linear from beginning to RL. Next, the GTI also has DI, which does not have all the bugs worked out yet. While I have not gone internally in the engine to check out the carbon build up, my exhaust tips have gone from stainless to a jet black, you can't even scape it off. I'll be looking to trade that out within a few years & get a 4 door truck like a Frontier or Tacoma. Definitely keeping the Z for a long time.

Guess what I'm trying to say is, the grass isn't always greener on the other side, so enjoy our dependable, funky manual trans, heavy and fat assed NA V6. It's really a great car

cavemancan · 12-14-2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Haha. I don't think they can maintain the current price point. The V8 would be a $40k+ car. Thats why I still vouch having a V6 option. I just want to

moar faster!

I think I'm joining you...everyone is in LALA land here LOL! I can't believe anyone would be in there right mind to compare our car to a Mustang (sorry if your a fan...I'm alergic to sold axels and bad handling).

EDIT...My GAWD...some of the comments about Mustangs are making me laugh I can't take it!

SS_Firehawk · 12-14-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan

I think I'm joining you...everyone is in LALA land here LOL! I can't believe anyone would be in there right mind to compare our car to a Mustang (sorry if your a fan...I'm alergic to sold axels and bad handling).

EDIT...My GAWD...some of the comments about Mustangs are making me laugh I can't take it!

I actually have a distaste for everything about them, but their motor is pretty delicious.

cavemancan · 12-14-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin@Z1

FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.

I highly doubt Nissan will release another RWD platform in addition to the 370Z/G37 & GT-R platforms unless it shared chassis with another model. Nissan is pushing the 2013 Altima sedan hardcore right now and are putting off the redesigned Altima coupe models for a little while.

1) This will NEVER compete against the FR-S/BRZ. It would compete against a Civic and VW Golf/Rabbit.
2) No purest would ever choose a FWD platform when a very good and affordable RWD platform is available in the form of the FR-S/BRZ. Friends don't let friends go FWD man...lol

Hands down it would need to be a RWD platform or dont even bother. The idea of the Altima and the Juke engine is good but it would need to be reworked to either be AWD or RWD.

SS_Firehawk · 12-14-2012, 04:21 PM

I could do a 200+hp AWD 6sp juke.

cavemancan · 12-14-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I actually have a distaste for everything about them, but their motor is pretty delicious.

The Shelby (Eleanor 1967) was the only Mustang I liked and it was an amazing car. Actually most of the 1960's mustangs were nice looking. They were thin/sleek and not bulky looking like the ones today. American car makers just dont understand how to make a sleek body anymore (except late model corvettes which are nicely done).

SS_Firehawk · 12-14-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan

The Shelby (Eleanor 1967) was the only Mustang I liked and it was an amazing car. Actually most of the 1960's mustangs were nice looking. They were thin/sleek and not bulky looking like the ones today. American car makers just dont understand how to make a sleek body anymore (except late model corvettes which are nicely done).

I passed on on the Gen 5 SS's because I couldn't get past the size and weight. The Z had 8/10ths the speed and could drive circles around it. Now that I have two superchargers getting installed, it's way more car than needed, all the better.

cavemancan · 12-14-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I passed on on the Gen 5 SS's because I couldn't get past the size and weight. The Z had 8/10ths the speed and could drive circles around it. Now that I have two superchargers getting installed, it's way more car than needed, all the better.

Good luck with traction...I sometimes have traction issues with the VDC off...LOL!

b1adesofcha0s · 12-14-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan

I think I'm joining you...everyone is in LALA land here LOL! I can't believe anyone would be in there right mind to compare our car to a Mustang (sorry if your a fan...I'm alergic to sold axels and bad handling).

EDIT...My GAWD...some of the comments about Mustangs are making me laugh I can't take it!

You do realize that the new mustangs are faster than a Z in a straight line and around a track, right? Hate them all you want, but it won't change the fact that it will post better lap times than the Z.

Red__Zed · 12-14-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Everyone has apparently ignored my comment. There is no way Nissan will put anything other then a 6 cylinder in the Z. The Z has and always will have a 6 just like a Vette with its V8's and RX-7's 8's with its Rotary. Its one of the thing that makes a Z a Z.

I agree. There's no way Nissan will ever switch from an inline to a vee.

Shamu · 12-14-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin@Z1

FWD, 1.8L Juke Turbo powered Altima coupe will get my money as Nissan's next "entry" level sports car under the next gen Z and GT-R. And will probably be their answer to the FR-S/BRZ.

I highly doubt Nissan will release another RWD platform in addition to the 370Z/G37 & GT-R platforms unless it shared chassis with another model. Nissan is pushing the 2013 Altima sedan hardcore right now and are putting off the redesigned Altima coupe models for a little while.

Nah I see it this way. Smaller BRZ sized Z with turbo 4. Infiniti based v6 coupe at higher end and GTR continues to be super car.

SPOHN · 12-14-2012, 10:29 PM

I'd like to see a transaxle in the next Z.

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hadokenuh Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 186 Drives: 09 370Z 6MT Rep Power: 13	I'd buy a turboed 4 Z if it's less than 3000 lbs. I think what they really need to do is to improve the shifting quality on the 6MT and road noise. Some road noise is ok, but excessive road noise makes DD too difficult.