'13 Z or '09-'10 Cayman (S)

tylerk · 12-09-2012, 04:25 PM

So I recently had a 2013 370Z ordered with touring and sport package that should be delivered mid-February. Waiting around idly for it to arrive has caught my mind wandering. Recently I realized I can get an 09-10 Porsche Cayman, or 08 Cayman S with between 15-35K miles for the same price range. I've searched and seen that this topic has been debated in length, but all of those posts were from 2-3 years ago, so I assume much about the cars (Cayman specifically with it's 2nd generation debuting in 09) has changed.

What are you guys' thoughts on the matter? I never plan to visit a track, but do appreciate extra horsepower. Also, please don't recommend other vehicles

My main concerns:

Porsche maintenance/upkeep
Effectiveness of remaining warranties
uncertainties that come with buying a used car
Is it that much better of a car? (not speaking numbers specifically, but the finish/finesse of it all)

Thanks for any insight!

JungleZ · 12-09-2012, 04:27 PM

I would rather get an m3, boss 302,cayman s,zo6 any day

The Nismo is overpriced plain and simple.

NewtoZ's5 · 12-09-2012, 04:47 PM

junglez -He never mentioned anything about a Nismo. And if you'd read he asked not to recommend other cars.

OP, I too was in your shoes not too long ago. I previously drove a Acura TSX as a daily and have an S2000 as an extra car. When I was looking I narrowed it down to a Z, because I always wanted one and a used Porsche Cayman as well. My third choice being a Subaru WRX STI. In the end, the Z gave me everything I wanted. Make you a "Pro & Con" list then drive each and see what you think. Only you will know exactly what you want.

The Porsche maintenance cost is what drove me away, plus I was always partial to Japanese vehicles.

tylerk · 12-09-2012, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewtoZ's5

junglez -He never mentioned anything about a Nismo. And if you'd read he asked not to recommend other cars.

OP, I too was in your shoes not too long ago. I previously drove a Acura TSX as a daily and have an S2000 as an extra car. When I was looking I narrowed it down to a Z, because I always wanted one and a used Porsche Cayman as well. My third choice being a Subaru WRX STI. In the end, the Z gave me everything I wanted. Make you a "Pro & Con" list then drive each and see what you think. Only you will know exactly what you want.

The Porsche maintenance cost is what drove me away, plus I was always partial to Japanese vehicles.

Do you recall what your Pro/Con list for the Z vs a Cayman looked like? It'd help with my laziness

(I do understand parts of the list come down to subjectivity and personal pref, but I am sure any views you considered would be a great help)

NewtoZ's5 · 12-09-2012, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerk

Do you recall what your Pro/Con list for the Z vs a Cayman looked like? It'd help with my laziness

(I do understand parts of the list come down to subjectivity and personal pref, but I am sure any views you considered would be a great help)

It really did come down to cost of ownership, and personal preference. I come from a Japanese car background, Hondas mainly and didn't really know much about Porsche. Me being the type to do all my own maintenance, repairs and modifications I felt more comfortable with the Nissan. Another deciding factor was getting brand new car vs. a used one. I bought my S2000 used and hadn't had something new in quite a while.

Baer383 · 12-09-2012, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ

I would rather get an m3, boss 302,cayman s,zo6 any day

The Nismo is overpriced plain and simple.

He said he was getting a 13 sport/touring not a Nismo.

JungleZ · 12-09-2012, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383

He said he was getting a 13 sport/touring not a Nismo.

I know i misread.. but still they increased the price for the 2013 models and i just don't think its worth it anymore.

Baer383 · 12-09-2012, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ

I know i misread.. but still they increased the price for the 2013 models and i just don't think its worth it anymore.

I own a 13 Nismo and if you know how to negotiate you will end up with a really nice car.
I had a 2010 sport/touring and now have the Nismo,the Nismo is allot better.

FuszNissan · 12-10-2012, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ

I know i misread.. but still they increased the price for the 2013 models and i just don't think its worth it anymore.

I know we are all beating a dead horse here; but you do realize the cost of cars go up every model year right!?

m4a1mustang · 12-09-2012, 04:41 PM

If you don't feel comfortable with the Porsche's cost of ownership, stick to the Z.

tylerk · 12-09-2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If you don't feel comfortable with the Porsche's cost of ownership, stick to the Z.

Do you mind elaborating? I definitely would rather NOT pay a premium for continued ownership, but am still a little unclear on what exactly that extra cost of ownership is. Are we talking $2-3k a year for DDing or like $200 oil changes rather than $50..

Thanks for your help!

m4a1mustang · 12-09-2012, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerk

Do you mind elaborating? I definitely would rather NOT pay a premium for continued ownership, but am still a little unclear on what exactly that extra cost of ownership is. Are we talking $2-3k a year for DDing or like $200 oil changes rather than $50..

Thanks for your help!

Well, cost of ownership really depends largely on whether or not you are going to be doing work yourself or not.

Oil changes could cost you $200 or more at a dealership, but then again the oil change intervals on the Cayman are quite long.

Brakes... expensive at a dealership. Not that complicated if you do it yourself.

The real issue is going to be if you have something fail on you outside of warranty. Are you willing/able to foot the repair bill? Repair work on the Porsche will likely cost a good bit more than the Nissan.

Back in 2009 I ended up choosing the Z over the Cayman because I wasn't comfortable with paying a huge premium over the Z (for a new one) or spending the same on a used Cayman with no or little warranty remaining as I would on a used Z. Don't get me wrong, I felt like the Cayman was the better car in all aspects, but at the time it just wasn't worth it when I could get a similar experience for a lot less.

2011 Nismo#91 · 12-10-2012, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

...

The real issue is going to be if you have something fail on you outside of warranty. Are you willing/able to foot the repair bill? Repair work on the Porsche will likely cost a good bit more than the Nissan.

Back in 2009 I ended up choosing the Z over the Cayman because I wasn't comfortable with paying a huge premium over the Z (for a new one) or spending the same on a used Cayman with no or little warranty remaining as I would on a used Z. Don't get me wrong, I felt like the Cayman was the better car in all aspects, but at the time it just wasn't worth it when I could get a similar experience for a lot less.

This is why I got the Z, I had, like many others the same question. My brother's experiences with his Audi S4 sealed the deal, long and financially painful to repair.

So I got my overpriced NISMO

DLSTR · 12-10-2012, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerk

Do you mind elaborating? I definitely would rather NOT pay a premium for continued ownership, but am still a little unclear on what exactly that extra cost of ownership is. Are we talking $2-3k a year for DDing or like $200 oil changes rather than $50..

Thanks for your help!

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saleshound · 12-09-2012, 05:20 PM

Maybe you should be asking this question on a Porsche site?

12-09-2012, 04:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
tylerk Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: TX Posts: 11 Drives: 2012 Golf R Rep Power: 13	'13 Z or '09-'10 Cayman (S) So I recently had a 2013 370Z ordered with touring and sport package that should be delivered mid-February. Waiting around idly for it to arrive has caught my mind wandering. Recently I realized I can get an 09-10 Porsche Cayman, or 08 Cayman S with between 15-35K miles for the same price range. I've searched and seen that this topic has been debated in length, but all of those posts were from 2-3 years ago, so I assume much about the cars (Cayman specifically with it's 2nd generation debuting in 09) has changed. What are you guys' thoughts on the matter? I never plan to visit a track, but do appreciate extra horsepower. Also, please don't recommend other vehicles My main concerns: Porsche maintenance/upkeep Effectiveness of remaining warranties uncertainties that come with buying a used car Is it that much better of a car? (not speaking numbers specifically, but the finish/finesse of it all) Thanks for any insight! WI_Hedgehog likes this.

12-09-2012, 04:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
NewtoZ's5 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Sachse, Texas Age: 50 Posts: 128 Drives: 12 GM T/S/Navi Rep Power: 13	junglez -He never mentioned anything about a Nismo. And if you'd read he asked not to recommend other cars. OP, I too was in your shoes not too long ago. I previously drove a Acura TSX as a daily and have an S2000 as an extra car. When I was looking I narrowed it down to a Z, because I always wanted one and a used Porsche Cayman as well. My third choice being a Subaru WRX STI. In the end, the Z gave me everything I wanted. Make you a "Pro & Con" list then drive each and see what you think. Only you will know exactly what you want. The Porsche maintenance cost is what drove me away, plus I was always partial to Japanese vehicles. DEpointfive0 and WI_Hedgehog like this. __________________ 2012 GM 370Z Touring/Sport- Swift Spec-R, 20mm spacers, K&N Typoons, Z1 HFC's, Invidia Gemini, Kinetix camber, SPC toe, UpRev 310WHP/256TQ 2004 RYP S2000- Enkei RPF1's(blK)w/Dunlop Star Specs, Swift Spec-R, I/H/HFC

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JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	I would rather get an m3, boss 302,cayman s,zo6 any day The Nismo is overpriced plain and simple.

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saleshound Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: norton, ma Posts: 22 Drives: 2009 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 13	Maybe you should be asking this question on a Porsche site?