370z vs Wrx Sti

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev1Z

power max (600 ish)

You can throw out the idea of a 600 whp daily driver on either car. If that's what you want, you're looking in the wrong place. Buy a GTR, Vette, CTS-V or GT500.

red6spd · 11-20-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

You can throw out the idea of a 600 whp daily driver on either car. If that's what you want, you're looking in the wrong place. Buy a GTR, Vette, CTS-V or GT500.

I disagree. If you don't cheap out and have a pro do a proper tune there is no reason you cant DD a 600+Whp STI or Z. With that said it will probably cost around the same price to make both cars handle 600 wheel.

Rev1Z · 11-20-2012, 09:25 AM

Im just going to think about keeping the z or get another car no big rush just looking for advice before jumping on something thanks for the help guys

edub370 · 11-20-2012, 09:32 AM

will probably be similar money to get 500+hp out of either car. z has a better chance of a stock motor putting up with that power than an sti

Rev1Z · 11-20-2012, 09:38 AM

If I do end up fi the z I would build the motor and go forged internals but how much power could the z take with forged int and how long would it last?

red6spd · 11-20-2012, 09:39 AM

A fully built motor? GTM built one with close to or over 1000hp. But 600hp wheel on a built motor would be very reliable. Alot of it comes down to the tune. If its tuned properly you wont have issues.

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

A fully built motor? GTM built one with close to or over 1000hp. But 600hp wheel on a built motor would be very reliable. Alot of it comes down to the tune. If its tuned properly you wont have issues.

It would be reliable enough for a toy, but I'm still not sure I'd use it as a daily driver. Plus, that motor on GTM's website costs a mint. I'm sure it's worth it, but a 600 whp Z would probably cost you close to 100k (including the price of the car) by the time you got it built and tuned. Personally, if I were going that route, I'd budget $1500 for a craigslist beater to use Monday through Thursday, and just bring out the toy on the weekend. As far as your original question, for 600 whp the Z would be a far better car. A 600 whp STI would have turbo lag like you wouldn't believe.

red6spd · 11-20-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It would be reliable enough for a toy, but I'm still not sure I'd use it as a daily driver. Plus, that motor on GTM's website costs a mint. I'm sure it's worth it, but a 600 whp Z would probably cost you close to 100k (including the price of the car) by the time you got it built and tuned. Personally, if I were going that route, I'd budget $1500 for a craigslist beater to use Monday through Thursday, and just bring out the toy on the weekend. As far as your original question, for 600 whp the Z would be a far better car. A 600 whp STI would have turbo lag like you wouldn't believe.

100k? LOL. Not even close. There are a few 370's and G37's on the Island here running GTM Stg2 TT kits on fully built motors and they did not spend 100k. From what I hear I would have to guess 30-40k for a shop to do it. Talk to GTM cause I know they will tell you daily driving a properly built 600hp Z is very possible.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2012, 08:09 PM

OP, I'm gonna do my best to cut through a lot of the crap that is being slung around.

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Originally Posted by Rev1Z

Had the 370z for awhile now and been doing alot been doing research about modding it and seems theres not much you can do to gain more power without going f.i so ive been shopping around for wrx sti something about the car that catches my attention. anyone have/had experience with the sti? was looking at a brand new model sti...i know the wrx sti have a better mod potential then the z and handles better but no nothing else about them any advice? im basicly looking for a car that can gain alot more power but ca also be an ok dd

OK, the question of which car handles better has been beat to death. It is probably a more fair comparison to say they handle differently versus saying one handles better. The Z has a significant amount more raw grip, and a more "pure" dynamic, stemming mostly from the RWD platform. It also (in stock form) has a whole lot more top end. The STI has a good bit less grip (mostly based on tires and weight), but offers the opportunity to get back on the gas much earlier in a corner than the 370z. These differences show in track times--the Z walks away on courses with long straights and high speed sweepers, while the STI tends to handle much better when things get tight, especially on an autocross course.

Of course, this is assuming the STI is stock-ish and the Z is lightly modified (oil cooler, etc). A tune does wonders for opening up the top end of the STI, and brings things a good bit closer on the higher speed courses. I'd see if you can find a used STI to dog and get a feel for whether you like it. The AWD turbo sled feel isn't for everyone, and you may very well decide you want to stay in a RWD coupe.

For DD duty, the posters that mentioned the door quality of the STI hit the nail on the head...worst doors in the industry, no question. Other than that, neither car is bad and it comes down to preference. Test drive both and form your own opinion. I personally found the Z to be better tuned for cruising, and the hatch space was actually pretty usable...but if you need a backseat, you need a backseat.

Now, for the mod-ability discussion that seems to have taken center stage. You may notice that the folks posting in this thread in favor of a 500+whp daily driver have something in common, notably that they have no experience with one.

There's a whole lot of dedication that comes with owning a heavily modified car, and anyone that has put more than a couple thousand real miles on one can tell you all about it. It's not necessarily bad, but no heavily modified car is "reliable" in the traditional sense. Things break, and regular maintenance takes on a different tone.

When the work is done right, it doesn't have to be a burden, but at the same time, you better have some familiarity with how your car works and how to fix things like boost leaks. If the work is done poorly, you wind up with stories like the blown motor on the STI.

While talking power, it's also worth thinking about your plans for it...street, strip, track?

The FI'd Z's have proven to be trap speed monsters which means it is a fun machine to spool up in, but there's less positive data for track and strip. Worth keeping in mind and doing research on. The only tracked Z's I've seen have been SC'd and even then running into heat issues when laying competitive times....

If you can post up more of your goals from the car, we can probably steer you better. There's a number of reasons why each car might be better for you, although I'd generally steer you away from trading a relatively new Z in for an STI without some sort of compelling reason.

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Originally Posted by red6spd

A fully built motor? GTM built one with close to or over 1000hp. But 600hp wheel on a built motor would be very reliable. Alot of it comes down to the tune. If its tuned properly you wont have issues.

do you have a link to this?

Rev1Z · 11-21-2012, 12:30 AM

im looking for more power that is it. i do go to the drag racing on the track/street every once in awhile also go out to the meets out here in houston. im just looking for a car that i can put a certain amount of money into and have good numbers(high 400s-600) and race with on the weekends. if i do decide to keep the z f.i is going to be a must, dont really care much about backseats. i was also thinking about z06 vette c5 or c6 but i some what want to stay on the import side....im just going to keep an open mind and think everything over before jumping on another car...thnks for the reply/advice everyone

Mannysrt8 · 11-21-2012, 01:00 AM

i love the new sti sedans,if it came in AT i would have one has my family hauler,because it does not i drive a Kia

red6spd · 11-21-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mannysrt8

i love the new sti sedans,if it came in AT i would have one has my family hauler,because it does not i drive a Kia

I can fine 56349865739856730985093850 cars that cost as much as a STI sedan that come with a slush box but you choose to drive a KIA? LOL.

lemon-fresh · 11-21-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev1Z

im looking for more power that is it. i do go to the drag racing on the track/street every once in awhile also go out to the meets out here in houston. im just looking for a car that i can put a certain amount of money into and have good numbers(high 400s-600) and race with on the weekends. if i do decide to keep the z f.i is going to be a must, dont really care much about backseats. i was also thinking about z06 vette c5 or c6 but i some what want to stay on the import side....im just going to keep an open mind and think everything over before jumping on another car...thnks for the reply/advice everyone

If you want a drag car I'm not sure the sti or the Z are good options. Old supra?

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2012, 10:00 AM

Please don't think I'm trying to talk you out of doing it. I'm just pointing out that it won't be the easiest or cheapest 600 whp car you could have once you're done and you add up the receipts. That being said, a 600 whp Z would be awesome.

Rev1Z · 11-20-2012, 10:07 AM

Its all good im just looking for advice and to see what other people point of view is. Im just looking for more power that is it love the z and everything about the car not like im going to jump up to 600whp right away that is just the max hp I would want. Wouldnt mind having 500 or more looks like gtm tt is the way to go for the 500 range just want it to be reliable...should pm them and ask would it be safe for stock internals...I really appreciate all the advice!

11-20-2012, 09:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	will probably be similar money to get 500+hp out of either car. z has a better chance of a stock motor putting up with that power than an sti Rev1Z likes this. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

11-20-2012, 09:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	A fully built motor? GTM built one with close to or over 1000hp. But 600hp wheel on a built motor would be very reliable. Alot of it comes down to the tune. If its tuned properly you wont have issues. Rev1Z likes this. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

11-20-2012, 10:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Please don't think I'm trying to talk you out of doing it. I'm just pointing out that it won't be the easiest or cheapest 600 whp car you could have once you're done and you add up the receipts. That being said, a 600 whp Z would be awesome. Rev1Z likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-20-2012, 09:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rev1Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 13 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	Im just going to think about keeping the z or get another car no big rush just looking for advice before jumping on something thanks for the help guys

11-20-2012, 09:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
Rev1Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 13 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	If I do end up fi the z I would build the motor and go forged internals but how much power could the z take with forged int and how long would it last?

11-21-2012, 12:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Rev1Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 13 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	im looking for more power that is it. i do go to the drag racing on the track/street every once in awhile also go out to the meets out here in houston. im just looking for a car that i can put a certain amount of money into and have good numbers(high 400s-600) and race with on the weekends. if i do decide to keep the z f.i is going to be a must, dont really care much about backseats. i was also thinking about z06 vette c5 or c6 but i some what want to stay on the import side....im just going to keep an open mind and think everything over before jumping on another car...thnks for the reply/advice everyone

11-21-2012, 01:00 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mannysrt8 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vancouver Posts: 254 Drives: 370z & Optima SX Rep Power: 16	i love the new sti sedans,if it came in AT i would have one has my family hauler,because it does not i drive a Kia

11-20-2012, 10:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
Rev1Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 13 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	Its all good im just looking for advice and to see what other people point of view is. Im just looking for more power that is it love the z and everything about the car not like im going to jump up to 600whp right away that is just the max hp I would want. Wouldnt mind having 500 or more looks like gtm tt is the way to go for the 500 range just want it to be reliable...should pm them and ask would it be safe for stock internals...I really appreciate all the advice!