Petition to allow Radar Detectors in VA

Glokwork · 11-14-2012, 08:16 PM

If Colorado and Washington can make recreational pot use legal...I would love to believe this stupid commonwealth could lift a ban on radar detectors.

FL 4Motion · 11-14-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Glokwork

If Colorado and Washington can make recreational pot use legal...I would love to believe this stupid commonwealth could lift a ban on radar detectors.

recreational pot is a potential tax windfall for those states, allowing radar detectors is kinda the opposite, so will never happen.

Perhaps, VA could just issue a liscensing fee for folks who want ot get a radar detector, you pay an initial registration fee and then pay annually for the "privilige" of owning/using one after that. Anyone caught with an unlicensed radar detector pays big fine. Probably the only way something like that could work since it would be a revenue generator for the state, if the state can't make $$ on it, then it's a "bad" idea so if they can be convinced hat it can have a monetary benefit to them, they might go for it.

m4a1mustang · 11-15-2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

recreational pot is a potential tax windfall for those states, allowing radar detectors is kinda the opposite, so will never happen.

Perhaps, VA could just issue a liscensing fee for folks who want ot get a radar detector, you pay an initial registration fee and then pay annually for the "privilige" of owning/using one after that. Anyone caught with an unlicensed radar detector pays big fine. Probably the only way something like that could work since it would be a revenue generator for the state, if the state can't make $$ on it, then it's a "bad" idea so if they can be convinced hat it can have a monetary benefit to them, they might go for it.

As someone who thinks its unconstitutional to have to get a permit to carry concealed, I don't want to pay a licensing fee just to be able to use a radar detector.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-16-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

As someone who thinks its unconstitutional to have to get a permit to carry concealed, I don't want to pay a licensing fee just to be able to use a radar detector.

I believe in permits because it provides an educational process that all gun owners should have. Just not in the permit renewal which in my book is unjust taxation. That said. Va laws concerning radars are definitely unconstitutional.
if i were a Va resident? I'd put my hancock on that shyt.

m4a1mustang · 11-16-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I believe in permits because it provides an educational process that all gun owners should have. Just not in the permit renewal which in my book is unjust taxation. That said. Va laws concerning radars are definitely unconstitutional.
if i were a Va resident? I'd put my hancock on that shyt.

I think the 2nd Amendment is my permit! I believe in firearms education but don't think it's government's place to force that on anyone. It should just be common sense IMO.

I want gov't out of as many facets of life as possible.

Coon-azz · 11-16-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

recreational pot is a potential tax windfall for those states, allowing radar detectors is kinda the opposite, so will never happen.

Perhaps, VA could just issue a liscensing fee for folks who want ot get a radar detector, you pay an initial registration fee and then pay annually for the "privilige" of owning/using one after that. Anyone caught with an unlicensed radar detector pays big fine. Probably the only way something like that could work since it would be a revenue generator for the state, if the state can't make $$ on it, then it's a "bad" idea so if they can be convinced hat it can have a monetary benefit to them, they might go for it.

this is a good idea. I think this is how the new HOV lane extension is going to work as well. If you are not an HOV car, you can pay to use it.

JARblue · 11-15-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coon-azz

Probably true...but it's worth trying. I think its also important to note that VA denied for months that they signed in a new law that allowed them to make you pay for a "20 over" speeding ticket for 3 years in a row. They denied that alligation for months in 2009 (or 2008) even to the press. VA residents called the BS flag that it was unconstitutional to confict anyone of the same crime 3 times. After a lot of investigation, Oh, suddenly we find out that the Fairfax court house needs 40 million in upgrades and one of the most expensive upgrades is the Traffic Ticket section- They pump people through there faster than McDonalds. Then the law was revoked and they had to pay people back the $ they had taken for a few years on the same conviction. They lied about it on TV and to its people. Dont get me wrong, I'm not against the VA state police or our local PD's. I just think I should be allowed to play by the same rules since their JOB is paid for and in respect to support me, the tax payer.

Ok, I just fell off my soapbox...I'm done.

Your second to last sentence makes me think of this:

"You're a public servant. Get me a glass of water!"

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imwazn · 11-16-2012, 11:57 AM

signed it

Coon-azz · 11-16-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by imwazn

signed it

thanks so much!

PapoZalsa · 11-16-2012, 08:42 PM

In VA is where most of the Insurance Headquarters are like USAA.

Roadster4Us · 11-16-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

In VA is where most of the Insurance Headquarters are like USAA.

HQ for USAA is San Antonio.

Bagherra · 11-18-2012, 07:36 AM

Back in the day, if you got caught with a radar detector in VA, they took confiscated it. Turns out that was unconstitutional, "Illegal seizure" it was called.

I was reading a very interesting article about it on another forum, really opened my eyes about it.

From Radar Busters.com

"The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases.

Laser Jammers and Radar Jammers are illegal in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC"

Laser jammers are emitting light, which is not regulated by the FCC, but can be regulated by the states.

A radar jammer (transmitter) that is powerful enough to blank a vehicle is actually illegal everywhere in the US, see the link below.

Technically the Federal Communications Act of 1934 states that you have the right to recieve any radio transmission that is out there. This was put into the act so that the government could not censor the airwaves, as was being done in some parts of Europe at the time. There is nothing in the act that exempts law enforcemet radars, radios or anything like that.

Here is the FCC public notice as to what you can and can't have as far as the Feds are concerned.

ftp://ftp.fcc.gov/pub/Bureaus/Mass_M.../da96-2040.pdf

So there is a federal law that says you can have a radar reciever. The state of Virgina can make it a crime to use it, but I don't think they want a court test case. Virginia was warned years ago by the FCC that confiscation of radio receivers (which is all a radar detector is) would subject the Commonwealth to federal charges each time they confiscate a detector, so they stopped doing it. The feds didn't want a case in federal court and the federal law is pretty clear. In some states the law was challenged based on the FCC Act, and some of the states rolled over before it could ever go to court. Virgina and DC are the only holdouts left.

Coon-azz · 11-26-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagherra

Back in the day, if you got caught with a radar detector in VA, they took confiscated it. Turns out that was unconstitutional, "Illegal seizure" it was called.

I was reading a very interesting article about it on another forum, really opened my eyes about it.

From Radar Busters.com

"The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases.

Laser Jammers and Radar Jammers are illegal in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC"

Laser jammers are emitting light, which is not regulated by the FCC, but can be regulated by the states.

A radar jammer (transmitter) that is powerful enough to blank a vehicle is actually illegal everywhere in the US, see the link below.

Technically the Federal Communications Act of 1934 states that you have the right to recieve any radio transmission that is out there. This was put into the act so that the government could not censor the airwaves, as was being done in some parts of Europe at the time. There is nothing in the act that exempts law enforcemet radars, radios or anything like that.

Here is the FCC public notice as to what you can and can't have as far as the Feds are concerned.

ftp://ftp.fcc.gov/pub/Bureaus/Mass_M.../da96-2040.pdf

So there is a federal law that says you can have a radar reciever. The state of Virgina can make it a crime to use it, but I don't think they want a court test case. Virginia was warned years ago by the FCC that confiscation of radio receivers (which is all a radar detector is) would subject the Commonwealth to federal charges each time they confiscate a detector, so they stopped doing it. The feds didn't want a case in federal court and the federal law is pretty clear. In some states the law was challenged based on the FCC Act, and some of the states rolled over before it could ever go to court. Virgina and DC are the only holdouts left.

Very interesting read. Figures VA and DC. Broken at the core....still.

RandyD · 11-18-2012, 08:00 AM

signed

Coon-azz · 11-26-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyD

signed

thanks so much.

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Bagherra Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Dark side of Moon Posts: 45 Drives: yes Rep Power: 15	Back in the day, if you got caught with a radar detector in VA, they took confiscated it. Turns out that was unconstitutional, "Illegal seizure" it was called. I was reading a very interesting article about it on another forum, really opened my eyes about it. From Radar Busters.com "The use of a radar detector in a passenger vehicle is legal in all states with the exception of Virginia, Washington DC. and on military bases. Laser Jammers and Radar Jammers are illegal in the states of Nebraska, Minnesota, Utah, California, Oklahoma, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois and Washington DC" Laser jammers are emitting light, which is not regulated by the FCC, but can be regulated by the states. A radar jammer (transmitter) that is powerful enough to blank a vehicle is actually illegal everywhere in the US, see the link below. Technically the Federal Communications Act of 1934 states that you have the right to recieve any radio transmission that is out there. This was put into the act so that the government could not censor the airwaves, as was being done in some parts of Europe at the time. There is nothing in the act that exempts law enforcemet radars, radios or anything like that. Here is the FCC public notice as to what you can and can't have as far as the Feds are concerned. ftp://ftp.fcc.gov/pub/Bureaus/Mass_M.../da96-2040.pdf So there is a federal law that says you can have a radar reciever. The state of Virgina can make it a crime to use it, but I don't think they want a court test case. Virginia was warned years ago by the FCC that confiscation of radio receivers (which is all a radar detector is) would subject the Commonwealth to federal charges each time they confiscate a detector, so they stopped doing it. The feds didn't want a case in federal court and the federal law is pretty clear. In some states the law was challenged based on the FCC Act, and some of the states rolled over before it could ever go to court. Virgina and DC are the only holdouts left. Last edited by Bagherra; 11-18-2012 at 07:44 AM.

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