CSC failure covered under warranty?

Originally Posted by MrAurora

Not for nothing but i still cannot get my ahead around how the csc is integrated into the throwout bearing, inside the transmission, and is not covered under the driveline warrenty ehich clearly states AND ALL INTERNAL COMPONENTS. It's utter nonsense and really dissapointing. Some dumbass mechanical engineer designed a plastic component for the transmission in a sports car (you don't have to be nostradamus to see the future here) and then when it fails to throw your hands up and say "NOT COVERED" - not a transmission part. Yet when you go look up the csc on thier own site you find it under "transmission parts". For the love of god, you don't have to be so obvious when you screw over your customers...

Originally Posted by zmanelite

Is this the kit you guys talking about ?

Exedy Racing Stage 1 Clutch and Flywheel Package WHD CSC Option

Originally Posted by simonsun347

Yes that's the one from Zspeed, the HD CSC kit.

The other one I'm considering is the CSC delete kit from Z1 here:

Z1 Clutch Concentric Slave Cylinder (CSC) Elimination Kit

Originally Posted by eastwest2300

why wait to replace it?

I tell you what, it'll be that one time that you're far from home that something happens, then you're REALLY tap dancing.

Originally Posted by frankiev

I just called the prev dealer and for some reason theres no mention of changing the fluid . If I had to guess Id say they didnt note it bec it was only a a bandaid and not the correct fix

Originally Posted by frankiev

It looks like the master is a couple of bolts and its out or is that just the resv.

Originally Posted by frankiev

I asked the local dealer and he said its possible to cause brake issues if not replaced correctly since theyre tied together.

Originally Posted by frankiev

Ive done master cyc replacements b4 .
Is it necc to bleed the master b4 installation or ?

Originally Posted by simonsun347

That's true. Last time I was stuck at a highway exit with flat clutch. Let me tell you it's the scariest 15 minutes of my life. Finally a cop car came push me through the underpass with his bumper.

still undecided which kit to go with...any thoughts?

Originally Posted by radensb

Hi guys,

Hi guys,

My story is the same as everyone else's. I got my 370Z used with 26750 miles. TWO WEEKS later, the CSC failed. The car still had 4.5 month under the 5yr/60,000mi warrentee, but Nissan said that the CSC was not covered under the powertrain warrantee.

I did my homework.... and I'm stubborn.

Now, eventually, the dealership I got the car from recognized that they had to cover the repairs as I was still in their 30 day "they have to cover all repairs" window, so I didn't actually have to deal with Nissan directly, however, I learned some valuable information that I figured I would share so others in this situation with Nissan have some ammunition to argue their case. Items that are BOLD and UNDERLINED are of pivotal importance.

1) For completeness, owners of pre-used cars are covered:
https://owners.nissanusa.com/content...2009_N_WIB.pdf

Quote:
This warranty is provided to the original and subsequent
owner(s) of a Nissan vehicle originally distributed by
Nissan which is originally sold by a Nissan authorized
Nissan dealership in the United States, and which is
registered in the U.S. and normally operated in the
United States (including Alaska and Hawaii), the United
States territories (specifi cally Guam, Saipan, American
Samoa, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands), and
Canada.

This warranty is generally transferable from the
original ‘owner other than a Nissan dealer’ (OWNER)
to subsequent owners of the vehicle at any time
ownership of the vehicle is transferred, without any
action on your part; except that this warranty is not
transferable but is instead VOID if during the fi rst
six months after delivery to the original OWNER: (1)
ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original
OWNER,
and
(2) the vehicle is registered outside of
the United States

So you are covered, even if you are not the original owner.

2) Referring to Nissan's own Factory Warrentee Manual regarding the Powertrain warrantee:

Quote:
The Powertrain coverage period is 60 months or 60,000
miles, whichever comes first.
• This warranty covers any repairs needed to correct defects
in materials or workmanship.
• Powertrain coverage applies to components listed below,
supplied by Nissan except for those items listed under the
caption “WHAT IS NOT COVERED”.

TRANSMISSION AND TRANSAXLE
Case and all internal parts, torque converter and converter
housing, automatic transmission control module, transfer case and all internal parts, seals and gaskets, clutch cover
and housing, and electronic transmission controls.

DRIVETRAIN
Drive shafts, final drive housing and all internal parts,
propeller shafts, universal joints, bearings, seals and
gaskets.

WHAT IS NOT COVERED
DAMAGE, FAILURES OR CORROSION DUE TO
ACCIDENTS, MISUSE OR ALTERATIONS
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
• Accident, theft, fire, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes
racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is outlined
in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
• Alteration, tampering or improper repair.
• Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.
• Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
• Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in
material or workmanship.
• Normal wear and tear, including dings, dents, chips
or scratches.

ALTERED OR UNCERTAIN ODOMETER MILEAGE
This warranty does not cover repair of any vehicle or any part
of a vehicle whose odometer mileage has been altered, or the
odometer repaired or replaced and the actual vehicle mileage
cannot be correctly and readily determined.

SALVAGE TITLE
This limited warranty does not apply to any vehicle, and is
rendered VOID if the vehicle is (or ever has been) issued a
“salvage” or similar title under any state’s law; or has ever been
determined to be a “total loss” or equivalent by any insurance
company, such as by payment of a cash payment of claim in lieu
of repairs because of a determination that the cost of repairs
exceeded the actual cash value of the vehicle.
DAMAGE, FAILURES OR CORROSION FROM
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS

This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
• Stone chipping, chemical fallout (acid rain), tree sap, salt,
hail, wind-storm, lightning, flood or other environmental
conditions.

The items listed below are not covered under corrosion
coverage (perforation from corrosion).
• Exhaust system components.
• Corrosion of outer trim parts, such as moldings.

However, corrosion of outer trim parts is warranted for
12 months or 12,500 miles, whichever comes first.
• Corrosion other than perforation, such as cosmetic
or surface corrosion due to defects in materials
or workmanship. This is covered under the Basic
Coverage of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
• Special bodies or equipment not manufactured or
supplied by Nissan.

DAMAGE, FAILURES OR CORROSION DUE TO LACK
OF OR IMPROPER MAINTENANCE
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
Lack of performance of proper maintenance services as
outlined in your NISSAN SERVICE & MAINTENANCE
GUIDE.
Use of improper or dirty fuel, fluids or lubricants.
Use of parts not equivalent in quality or design to parts
supplied by Nissan.

MAINTENANCE SERVICE EXPENSE
This warranty does not cover normal maintenance services
as specified in your NISSAN SERVICE & MAINTENANCE
GUIDE such as engine tune-up; cleaning and polishing; wheel
alignment; headlight aiming; replacement of filters, replacement
of windshield wiper inserts, replacement of key fob batteries,
lubricants, coolant; worn brake shoes, pads, drums and rotors
and worn clutch discs.
SEAT BELTS, TIRES, DROP-IN BEDLINERS AND

EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM
Seat belts, tires, drop-in bedliners and the emission control
system are not covered by this warranty, but are covered by
separate warranties.
NISSAN SPRAY-IN BEDLINERS
Nissan Spray-in Bedliners will be repaired to commercially
acceptable standards which may include minor appearance
differences from the original bedliner.
(See following pages for
separate
warranties which may apply to your Nissan, such as those covering vehicle emissions,
seat belts, and tires.)

The powertrain warrantee for the transmission includes "Case and all internal parts". The CSC is internal to the bellhousing (which is part of the rest of the transmission) and therefore an "internal" part. It is also a bearing. The exclusions make NO MENTION of any clutch components except for the clutch discs in the MAINTENANCE SERVICE EXPENSE section.

3) Nissan tried telling me that the CSC was not a powertrain component and therefore not covered under the powertrain warrantee. The CSC is Nissan part#: 306A1-JK40D, and listed under the parts category TRANSMISSION CASE & CLUTCH RELEASE which is under the parent category POWER TRAIN [F]. Their OWN part documentation classifies the CSC as a powertrain part.

2009 Nissan 370z Coupe OEM Parts - Nissan USA eStore Part# 306A1-JK40D

I have heard of others in this thread and their success getting Nissan to recognize that the CSC falls under the powertrain warrantee. I was armed with all this material to make it clear that this part should be covered. When it comes down to it, anyone presented with this documentation who still tried to deny that the CSC was not a covered part would just make themselves sound like a complete idiot. There is not much to argue. Shove their own documentation down their throat and insist that they hold up their end of the deal by supporting your car!


Quote:
Powertrain warrantee still valid? [YES]
Part not defined as an exclusion or maintainance exclusion? [YES]
Defective part classified as a Powertrain component? [YES]

CASE CLOSED!