CSC failure covered under warranty?

kenchan · 03-17-2015, 06:50 PM

20k is old..

mine is 16.5K...

my G has 35K miles... her csc is absolutely fine as well.

Dwight Frye · 03-17-2015, 07:15 PM

No issues what so ever with mine and my '09 will hit 50K miles this week.
All I have done as far as maintenance was a fluid refresh at 35,000 miles and I don't drive it like an over-testosterone'd 20 something who never owned a manual transmission car before and has an obsession with fake carbon fiber overlays so maybe that has something to do with it.

LAVA · 03-17-2015, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Dealer won't warranty it unless it fails. Sometimes it'll start to leak and the dealer will just put in GT-R clutch fluid. Eventually it fails.

Dirty clutch fluid in the hydraulic system combined with usage causes failure. I don't think it can handle hard launching, but that might show 'abuse' on the clutch risking the dealer not covering it. And believe me, they will look for any excuse not to cover it.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could just pump the clutch pedal repeatedly full stroke and have it fail eventually. Like all the way to the floor and hold for a moment every time.

But if I were you, I wouldn't worry about it unless you drive the car hard. Just drive it until the OEM one fails, at which time you replace it with an aftermarket one. Ideally, you can time the replacement of the clutch at the same time in which case it probably wouldn't fail for years. Kenchan has an 09 with like 20K miles (maybe?) and his CSC is fine.

I already have the GTR fluid in mine and only drive it in the non winter months, even then it's not a DD so by that standard I may be ok for a while.
Thx for the info.

R0bDC · 03-18-2015, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Not quite sure how the CSC is a safety issue. It's not like you can't brake if it fails; you can still steer as well.

How is it not? You can be on the freeway going 90mph per hour. Sure you can steer, but you are losing speed. Not to mention you cant shift gears or press the brakes because the car will die on you.

I can think of multiple scenarios of how it can dangerous. You may think, "Ohhh thats would be very unlikely" but hey when you have thousands of people driving out there unlikely becomes likely.

JARblue · 03-18-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by R0bDC

How is it not? You can be on the freeway going 90mph per hour. Sure you can steer, but you are losing speed. Not to mention you cant shift gears or press the brakes because the car will die on you.

I can think of multiple scenarios of how it can dangerous. You may think, "Ohhh thats would be very unlikely" but hey when you have thousands of people driving out there unlikely becomes likely.

No worse than any number of potential incidents that can happen on the roadway. Driving a vehicle is dangerous, period. CSC failure is safer than a tire blowout, which is far more common. Just put your hazards on and move over to the shoulder. It's not like you're going to slow down 30 mph suddenly - you'll just gradually slow down from the engine braking. And why do you say you can't brake? If you're going 90 mph, you can brake all the way down to 2/3 of that speed (~30 mph) before worrying about engine dying. That should give you plenty of time to make your maneuver to the side of the road. I would argue that going 90 mph is less safe than the CSC failing at highway speeds.

Not to mention, I can't even recall any incidents where the CSC failed completely while driving. Most people come out to a mushy pedal when they get in the car.

I guess my point is that there are other things to be more concerned about failing while on the highway. The CSC failing is going to much more manageable than some more common scenarios.

njobe89 · 03-18-2015, 11:33 AM

i bought my car 11 months ago with 56 miles, now i'm at 22,xxx and nothing is wrong with it... yet. i think the failure might vary from how people drive. i.e do they put it in first gear and hold the clutch at a red light the whole time. etc. etc.

i don't abuse my car, but i sure do push it once a week i would say.

R0bDC · 03-18-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

No worse than any number of potential incidents that can happen on the roadway. Driving a vehicle is dangerous, period. CSC failure is safer than a tire blowout, which is far more common. Just put your hazards on and move over to the shoulder. It's not like you're going to slow down 30 mph suddenly - you'll just gradually slow down from the engine braking. And why do you say you can't brake? If you're going 90 mph, you can brake all the way down to 2/3 of that speed (~30 mph) before worrying about engine dying. That should give you plenty of time to make your maneuver to the side of the road. I would argue that going 90 mph is less safe than the CSC failing at highway speeds.

Not to mention, I can't even recall any incidents where the CSC failed completely while driving. Most people come out to a mushy pedal when they get in the car.

I guess my point is that there are other things to be more concerned about failing while on the highway. The CSC failing is going to much more manageable than some more common scenarios.

I wrote this huge paragraph, and then I was like......... "Is it worth it?" I think it can be a safety issue in some scenarios.

Davey · 03-18-2015, 08:23 PM

Any failure of anything could be a safety issue in some scenarios. Alternator belt snaps? OMG your lights go dim and you crash into a lake and die.

Someone issue a recall and get us teflon belts.

I do wish they would fix the damn part, but I don't hold out much hope for a recall.

R0bDC · 03-18-2015, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

Any failure of anything could be a safety issue in some scenarios. Alternator belt snaps? OMG your lights go dim and you crash into a lake and die.

Someone issue a recall and get us teflon belts.

I do wish they would fix the damn part, but I don't hold out much hope for a recall.

Hahahah What an A-Hole, Just kidding.

But seriously, Nissan consciously knows the slave is faulty! That's what bothers me most most.

Davey · 03-19-2015, 06:59 AM

If you think that's me being an A-hole, stick around, you'll be amazed.

JARblue · 03-19-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by R0bDC

I wrote this huge paragraph, and then I was like......... "Is it worth it?" I think it can be a safety issue in some scenarios.

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Originally Posted by Davey

Any failure of anything could be a safety issue in some scenarios.

This was my point. Can't worry about everything that might possibly go wrong.

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Originally Posted by R0bDC

But seriously, Nissan consciously knows the slave is faulty! That's what bothers me most most.

It's like the ESCL (steering lock). Hell, they even issued a recall on the ESCL, and the version used in the recall had known failures on the forum even before the recall was issued. Stupid Nissan

11Thumper · 03-19-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by georgem71

If I have to I will hire an attorney and just go all out. It's almost been a week without my z and it's deviating because I've been driving a civic

Sure you will...

Haboob · 03-19-2015, 03:45 PM

I'm more worried about it going out on the freeway on my way home, which for the most part is just gears 1-3 (third gear if I'm lucky) and stuck in the middle lanes. I wouldn't be able to coast over to the shoulder or anything, I'd just have to sit in the middle of the freeway, creating more of a cluster ****.

georgem71 · 03-19-2015, 09:26 PM

**Update**
Was able to get the CSC covered under warranty. Still going to replace everything with Z1 though

Davey · 03-20-2015, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by georgem71

**Update**
Was able to get the CSC covered under warranty. Still going to replace everything with Z1 though

Can you clarify... Did you get your dealer to agree to perform the work using the Z1 parts? Or do you mean later down the road you'll do the Z1 stuff?

I'm pretty sure I could get my dealer to goodwill the install in any case but I have not yet heard of anyone getting the upgraded cylinder put in during the warranty work.

03-17-2015, 06:50 PM	#196 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	20k is old.. mine is 16.5K... my G has 35K miles... her csc is absolutely fine as well. JARblue and georgem71 like this.

03-18-2015, 11:33 AM	#201 (permalink)
njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174284	i bought my car 11 months ago with 56 miles, now i'm at 22,xxx and nothing is wrong with it... yet. i think the failure might vary from how people drive. i.e do they put it in first gear and hold the clutch at a red light the whole time. etc. etc. i don't abuse my car, but i sure do push it once a week i would say. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

03-19-2015, 03:45 PM	#208 (permalink)
Haboob A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Surface of the sun. Posts: 13,159 Drives: '18 GTI Autobahn DSG Rep Power: 1387	I'm more worried about it going out on the freeway on my way home, which for the most part is just gears 1-3 (third gear if I'm lucky) and stuck in the middle lanes. I wouldn't be able to coast over to the shoulder or anything, I'd just have to sit in the middle of the freeway, creating more of a cluster ****. R0bDC likes this.

03-19-2015, 09:26 PM	#209 (permalink)
georgem71 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 36 Drives: 2014 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 11	Update Was able to get the CSC covered under warranty. Still going to replace everything with Z1 though Davey likes this.

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