Note to self - after leaving car wash...

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 11:54 AM

Let the soap and other crap leave the tires before gassing it a bit with the TRS turned off - lol...

LOL

I managed to kick the rear end out to a 45 (what I was aiming for), then it swung it back hard 90 degress to the other way (apparently input from the steering wheel is a lot more than what I'm used to), before it grabbed and launched me straight for the curb!

Nothing happened, but if it weren't for my VERY quick reflexes and having had a ton of experience with RWD cars and icy roads...lol

Lesson learned!

THis reminded me of another "pucker-factor" experience - a local gas station has an auto-washer attached that always drains down across the enterace. I was on my bike with the lady on back, getting gas, and I pulled in through that enterance. When my back tire came around again, it lost traction and skipped over about 4"! To be honest, I'm surprised I didn't lose it, but, I guess my reflexes saved our butts that time too - lol...

I don't go to that gas station much now - if I do, it's the other entrance that I use!

wstar · 07-02-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Let the soap and other crap leave the tires before gassing it a bit with the TRS turned off - lol...

Nah, that's the best part of washing the car: burning off the leftover water/soap on the rear tires when launching out onto the street. You just gotta be ready for it, and nimble with the gas and the steering wheel

RCZ · 07-02-2009, 12:30 PM

Alright what? You over-corrected a slide almost into an effin curve and then you say you have "VERY quick reflexes and having had a ton of experience with RWD cars" and then you say lesson learned.

Yeah sounds like a LOT of experience. I hope you realize that makes no sense. Maybe you should drive with the TC on.... unless your car is graphite cause I need a new front bumper and sideskirts.

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Alright what? You over-corrected a slide almost into an effin curve and then you say you have "VERY quick reflexes and having had a ton of experience with RWD cars" and then you say lesson learned.

Yeah sounds like a LOT of experience. I hope you realize that makes no sense. Maybe you should drive with the TC on.... unless your car is graphite cause I need a new front bumper and sideskirts.

Quick reflexes kept me from doing a 180+ or ending up nose-first in a curb...

I was making a left turn across a 3 lane road (center turn lane), rear end swung out further than I anticipated (wasn't expecting it to lose traction to that extent), I attempted to turn it more into a power-slide to pull through it - it didn't react so I continued putting more right-turn on the wheel until it did (which is where I apparently over-corrected) and it snapped the rear end back to the left faster than I could have imagined...

I am not experienced with locking diffs, or as tight of steering as the Z...or the weight balance of the Z. So, yeah, on one hand, I am not that experienced, but on the other, I know what to do and how to compensate.

General experience vs "Z" experience...

Thanks for reading!

RCZ · 07-02-2009, 12:44 PM

Wait.... so you overcorrected a slide at like 8MPH then?

No offense to you, but this is why you should keep the TC on instead of trying to be a cool guy. Do an accident avoidance course and a couple of driving courses where they teach you how to not do what you did. Until then, stop posting about your near accidents and your super-skills because you WILL get flamed.

Just get a chance to learn the car before you don't have a car to learn on anymore.

Thanks for posting some entertainment.

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Wait.... so you overcorrected a slide at like 8MPH then?

No offense to you, but this is why you should keep the TC on instead of trying to be a cool guy. Do an accident avoidance course and a couple of driving courses where they teach you how to not do what you did. Until then, stop posting about your near accidents and your super-skills because you WILL get flamed.

Just get a chance to learn the car before you don't have a car to learn on anymore.

Thanks for posting some entertainment.

What, is it your personal responsibility on the internet to flame people you view as "l3ss sup3r $kiLl3d" than you?

Get over yourself.

xiven · 07-02-2009, 01:14 PM

wstar · 07-02-2009, 01:17 PM

I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it

But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it

But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car

As with anything, you don't know your limits until you exceed them.

Apparently, I found a limit relating to the amount of available traction, and my expectations of what the input I was doing with the car, and the output it gave me.

"Lesson Learned"

wstar · 07-02-2009, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul

As with anything, you don't know your limits until you exceed them.

Apparently, I found a limit relating to the amount of available traction, and my expectations of what the input I was doing with the car, and the output it gave me.

"Lesson Learned"

Yeah, there was a bit of learning curve for me with this car as well. I came from a much more oversteer-happy car than this one, so in smoother curves I had to learn to actually use the steering wheel more than the throttle to push the car around. On the flipside, when trying to push through quick sharp sliding oversteer corners (or U-turns), I have to give the Z a lot more gas to get the job done. I'm pretty comfortable with handling my Z now, but I've had 7K miles to figure it out already

xiven · 07-02-2009, 01:41 PM

is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns?

thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.

m4a1mustang · 07-02-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xiven

is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns?

thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.

RWD. Turning radius is as tight as you want it to be.

kannibul · 07-02-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

Yeah, there was a bit of learning curve for me with this car as well. I came from a much more oversteer-happy car than this one, so in smoother curves I had to learn to actually use the steering wheel more than the throttle to push the car around. On the flipside, when trying to push through quick sharp sliding oversteer corners (or U-turns), I have to give the Z a lot more gas to get the job done. I'm pretty comfortable with handling my Z now, but I've had 7K miles to figure it out already

I can easily say this car handles a LOT differently than other vehicles I've owned - none of them had a locking diff, so I could break one wheel loose and drag the other in a fishtail.

With this, it's more like the rear of the car is on a huge ball bearing. That combined with the incredibly tight turning radius...

I think what threw me a bit too was that the tires bit down unexpectedly too - but, hey, I won't know. If I do it again, I have more knowledge about how the car reacts to driver input now than I did before last night.

xiven · 07-02-2009, 01:51 PM

i imagine so if i want to whip it around

m4a1mustang · 07-02-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xiven

i imagine so if i want to whip it around

It's not as good as the Nissan Cube but it's close.

07-02-2009, 11:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	Note to self - after leaving car wash... Let the soap and other crap leave the tires before gassing it a bit with the TRS turned off - lol... LOL I managed to kick the rear end out to a 45 (what I was aiming for), then it swung it back hard 90 degress to the other way (apparently input from the steering wheel is a lot more than what I'm used to), before it grabbed and launched me straight for the curb! Nothing happened, but if it weren't for my VERY quick reflexes and having had a ton of experience with RWD cars and icy roads...lol Lesson learned! THis reminded me of another "pucker-factor" experience - a local gas station has an auto-washer attached that always drains down across the enterace. I was on my bike with the lady on back, getting gas, and I pulled in through that enterance. When my back tire came around again, it lost traction and skipped over about 4"! To be honest, I'm surprised I didn't lose it, but, I guess my reflexes saved our butts that time too - lol... I don't go to that gas station much now - if I do, it's the other entrance that I use!

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	I kinda thought the same thing as RCZ, I'm just not so, uhhh, direct about it But now that it's out there... extreme over-corrections like that is a sign that you need to learn how to control the car __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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07-02-2009, 12:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Alright what? You over-corrected a slide almost into an effin curve and then you say you have "VERY quick reflexes and having had a ton of experience with RWD cars" and then you say lesson learned. Yeah sounds like a LOT of experience. I hope you realize that makes no sense. Maybe you should drive with the TC on.... unless your car is graphite cause I need a new front bumper and sideskirts.

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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Wait.... so you overcorrected a slide at like 8MPH then? No offense to you, but this is why you should keep the TC on instead of trying to be a cool guy. Do an accident avoidance course and a couple of driving courses where they teach you how to not do what you did. Until then, stop posting about your near accidents and your super-skills because you WILL get flamed. Just get a chance to learn the car before you don't have a car to learn on anymore. Thanks for posting some entertainment.

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xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 44 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 294	is the turning radius pretty good when doing u-turns? thats one thing i hate about my eclipse. i have to swing wide like a big truck to make the turn and pray i don't hit the curb.

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xiven A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Atlanta Age: 44 Posts: 4,128 Drives: Cookie Monster Rep Power: 294	i imagine so if i want to whip it around