Driving Impressions: New 911 S vs. Z

UNKNOWN_370

I have to agree with this... I do know that in a half mile the GTR will take a 911 turbo, in one mile, the porsche will pick up and start to pass the GTR. The porsche will most likely feel more connected to the road, and be more nimble in RWD. The Porsche will be more refined.
But being the fact that one is RWD and one is AWD makes these cars two different animals thhat have two different missions. There are things the GTR can do the porsche can't and vice-versa, plus there's a 60k difference between the turbo 911 and the GTR.

When you factor in general performance and cost. The GTR is a highly compelling package. I wouldn't sit here and say one is better than the other based on they're mission lies in two different arenas.

But to post in here the 911 is better as a FACT??? And not a personal opinion or preference??? That's pretty bold. These are different classes of automobiles, there's engineering in a porsche that may make it superior to a GTR in some ways. In the realm of PURPOSE. NEITHER CAR SHOULD BE COMPARED IN THAT FASHION. Doing so would be unrealistic and Elitist. (Superiority complex)
I have a friend who only likes AWD. So his 3kGT is superior to my Z in his eyes. I don't argue with him over it because he prefers theAWD sports arena. I prefer RWD. I drive RWD's better than my friend. He can drift AWD. Its all personal preference.

nicknick

Guys, i am up front and said i have not driven these cars but going purely on what motoring "experts" have concluded. The GTR IS measurably superior to the 911, that is a fact. I do not understand how you guys can discount the opinions of "experts" yet give validity to your own possibly limited opinions.
now that is funny.

Bucketlist2012

Unknown 370Z to me is known for great posts.. He states that to post that to say the 911 is better as a fact is being bold and maybe more opinion or preference...I agree.

Then Nick comes on and says that the GTR is measurably superior and that is a FACT just re enforces my post....It is preference and opinion and not Fact....

Have the GTR's gone out on the circuit and dominated the 911's yet ?? I am not a Porche owner or could care less, but to claim the GTR is better and it is a Fact, is again Bold to say the least.

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nicknick

OMG! Guys just go onto youtube or read any car mag and you will find/see that the GTR is faster, quicker, has more grip, is faster around a circuit, brakes faster etc. This is not speculation but measured time and time again. So in every performance category that can be measured the GTR is better, and that is a fact. Now, as to "feel" that is another story, as i have said before. So before you diehard porsche fans respond go and do a little research.

Additionally, the 911 platform is considered to be a flawed design, due to the engine hanging out behind the rear axle causing all sorts of lift off oversteer issues, although Porsche through various ways has tamed this trait.

now, lets see what interesting responses i get.

Bucketlist2012

When the GTR can beat the 911 on the racing circuit for the title for ONE year, then we can revisit this....Then when they can dominate for several years, then you will be right..

Where are the GTR's at the podium against the 911's, or the Volvo's, or the Audi's ???

A timed lap is not a Road Race....When I see the GTR win at the Leman's series several times, then I will have proof...No proof yet...Only single lap times...Not a race...You Tube ? Haha..Try the Professional Lemans Series...

P.S. The 2010 GTR for Lemans looked GREAT...One bad A$$ looking car...And the regular GTR in Person ? SWEET ride....I am not saying it isn't a really Nice car, but I would like to see it full time at the Leman's Series to see how it does on the course over a long length of time....It may just whip everyone....But I have to see it first...

And what are you comparing ? The twin turbo GTR and the regular 911 ? The top flight GT3 would be something to compare it to...

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nicknick

don't you remember the nurburgring where the GTR beat the 911.
By your logic if a car is not involved in a year long race then it is not as good as a 911, therofore the 458, aventador, veyron, pagani etc are inferior to the 911?

Edit, did not see the remainder of your post. for the price at least here is Australaia, yes comparing GTR to 911 and yes i too would like to see performance cars raced, that way you can get an idea of reliabilty etc.

Bucketlist2012

Actually the GTR smokes the GT3 at the track....You nailed it.

So you are right...But I too would like to see it race a year on the circuit to see how it holds up..

What would I buy ? They are both great...I couldn't say unless I drove them both.. And the reliability is still an issue..

But time will tell....

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nicknick

For the money the GTR is a great car. I just can not stand car manufacturers who charge above and beyond what a car is really worth, the GTR is not one of them.
If i had the money what i probably would buy is the Jag F type used.

Bucketlist2012

Other than the understeer problem, they say the GTR chassis could handle more power..

I am with you on the used thing....I test drove and almost bought a low miles AMG E class for one third the price....Some people buy these type of cars like the Jaguar F and never really drive them, let alone drive them hard...Let them take the new car price hit....Then buy it at 40% to 50% off.


Brand New ? Only if I hit the Lotto. High end cars drop price like a rock....I just worry about the reliability of the GTR...I heard rumor if you put it in Sport mode and with the Traction off, it voids the warranty ? That would suck...But I don't know if that is Internet lies..

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nicknick

that was true with the early models but Nissan has made adjustments, so it is not a problem now.
As to using the power of these cars, you should come to Melbourne Australia and see how bad our police state is, if you 3km/h over the limit they ping you with speed cameras.......revenue raising capital of the world!

RoshDawg

Nicknick, as much as I LOVE the GTR, and I really do love them, you sound pretty darn stubborn.

Car and Driver put the 911 (991) over the 2013 GTR:
2012 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2013 Nissan GT-R vs. 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera S - Comparison Test - Car and Driver

Motor Trend put the 911 (991) over the 2013 GTR:
Picking the 2012 Best Driver's Car! - YouTube

Those are the two biggest car magazines I can think of. Does that mean the 911 is better than the GTR? NO. IT DOES NOT. Damn I feel like I'm talking to a wall. You can say, the GTR is better in 0-60, or the 911 has less NVH, but you cannot credibly say that one car is better than the other. You just sound silly.

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Bucketlist2012

Here in California it is Track only...No fun on the streets anymore...

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RoshDawg

Also,
GTR Black edition starts at 106K
911 Carrera S starts at 97K (although options bring up that number a LOT) (USD)

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nicknick

They're 2 magazines, i have seen/read lots of articles. The 991 is the current 911 and the GTR was introduced during the 997 model span. in ref to your later post, i am talking about Australian "ripoff" prices.

RoshDawg

I'm not going to get sucked into a foolish Internet argument. I just ask for you to think for yourself. And cars are not a numbers game. When you get to know them you will understand this. Cheers!

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