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The engine is based on a pretty old platform. No DI, uses more fuel that most V6's now, and doesn't really have any tricks up it's sleeve, like start-stop and

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Old 09-20-2012, 12:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The engine is based on a pretty old platform. No DI, uses more fuel that most V6's now, and doesn't really have any tricks up it's sleeve, like start-stop and cylinder deactivation. However, it does have a 7.5k redline, which is still on the high side of things, and makes 90 hp/l, which is pretty good for a higher displacement engine.

The manual has SRM, which is definitely new tech.
The auto isn't a dual clutch, but is snappy and fun with the paddles with 7 gears.

Carbon composite driveshaft is more advanced than most. Wheels are lighter than most. Gripper than cars in its price range too, even with conventional springs and shocks.

So the Z is more conventional than the new cars coming out, but everything that I'd say is old, I'd also label as being very refined for the tech.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Troll or not, it's not that terrible of a question.

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how the Z drives and feels and delivers the power is what makes it a great sports car, not just the stats.
I agree wholeheartedly (I own a Z, after all). I do find it funny, though, that when you reverse the situation and start talking about a car like the FR-S being underpowered or slow, FR-S enthusiasts/owners would likely use a similar response to this criticism (…“there’s more to the FR-S than sheer HP & acceleration stats”).

Truth is, when you have the stats to back you up, they’re fun to quote. When you don’t they’re easy to refute and excuse. I've been a stats junkie since I first started reading car mags as a kid, and while I agree that they only tell part of the story (look how legendary the Miata is) that doesn't stop me from commiting them to memory.

With all that said, the Z doesn’t need any excuses – it’s a top-notch sports car with great performance and amazing styling (that’s why I bought one).


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It's an old way of thinking about performance.
Perhaps, but it's one of the few performance stats you can legally test on the open road within the speed limit (that is, unless you want to test the 1/4mi time of a Smart ForTwo). My old 2002 G20, as much as I loved it, was an absolute slug (0-60: ~10 sec). "But at least it handles well" is the G20-owner's mantra - but that only gets you so far. When you get dusted at a red light by a Versa, that's just wrong for a car with "sport sedan" pretensions.

Again, though, I don't think the Z has anything to hide within the realm of 0-60 testing. It sits right where it should given its power/weight and pricing. The new Accord's acceleration is impressive, given the car's genre and price point, but that shouldn't be viewed as threatening to a Z enthusiast.
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The engine is based on a pretty old platform. No DI, uses more fuel that most V6's now, and doesn't really have any tricks up it's sleeve, like start-stop and cylinder deactivation. However, it does have a 7.5k redline, which is still on the high side of things, and makes 90 hp/l, which is pretty good for a higher displacement engine.

The manual has SRM, which is definitely new tech.
The auto isn't a dual clutch, but is snappy and fun with the paddles with 7 gears.

Carbon composite driveshaft is more advanced than most. Wheels are lighter than most. Gripper than cars in its price range too, even with conventional springs and shocks.

So the Z is more conventional than the new cars coming out, but everything that I'd say is old, I'd also label as being very refined for the tech.
Wow, someone that actually got to the root answer of the question without BS. +1
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The engine is based on a pretty old platform. No DI, uses more fuel that most V6's now, and doesn't really have any tricks up it's sleeve, like start-stop and cylinder deactivation. However, it does have a 7.5k redline, which is still on the high side of things, and makes 90 hp/l, which is pretty good for a higher displacement engine.

The manual has SRM, which is definitely new tech.
The auto isn't a dual clutch, but is snappy and fun with the paddles with 7 gears.

Carbon composite driveshaft is more advanced than most. Wheels are lighter than most. Gripper than cars in its price range too, even with conventional springs and shocks.

So the Z is more conventional than the new cars coming out, but everything that I'd say is old, I'd also label as being very refined for the tech.
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It's clearly obvious the Honda Accord is a far superior car than the Z. I think the new Accord is faster around a track than a GTR.
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I thought the v6 Camry and Altima were faster than the Accord. At least they used to be back when I bought my last car (07 altima v6)
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I thought the v6 Camry and Altima were faster than the Accord. At least they used to be back when I bought my last car (07 altima v6)
accords are slow, always have been and always will be, but that wont stop some kid who put a fart cannon on his accord from telling you otherwise
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accords are slow, always have been and always will be, but that wont stop some kid who put a fart cannon on his accord from telling you otherwise
isnt that right, but I see it as they are car guys like us to I guess, so I cut em slack.
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accords are slow, always have been and always will be, but that wont stop some kid who put a fart cannon on his accord from telling you otherwise
I had a 2000 Prelude that was pretty fast for FWD. I only had intake,header,exhaust + good driver = faster than 350Z,s2000,g35. Not as fast as STI or EVO but that prelude h22 in an accord can do damage.
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I had a 2000 Prelude that was pretty fast for FWD. I only had intake,header,exhaust + good driver = faster than 350Z,s2000,g35. Not as fast as STI or EVO but that prelude h22 in an accord can do damage.
I hope you are being sarcastic because with your list of mods, there is no way in hell your little prelude is faster than any of the cars you mentioned.
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I had a 2000 Prelude that was pretty fast for FWD. I only had intake,header,exhaust + good driver = faster than 350Z,s2000,g35. Not as fast as STI or EVO but that prelude h22 in an accord can do damage.
i call BS on the s2k
maybe the 350z and g35 if they had the old DE engine but if it had the VR engine, the 350z would smoke you 5 times over
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I hope you are being sarcastic because with your list of mods, there is no way in hell your little prelude is faster than any of the cars you mentioned.
maybe the 350z with the DE engine but that really isnt an accomplishment, the 3.5 altima and maxima would smoke a DE 350z


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isnt that right, but I see it as they are car guys like us to I guess, so I cut em slack.
some are and some arnt, the ones who are car guys know what their car can and can not take(and i respect that), and there are ricers who will tell you bs, like this one ricer i met, he said his v6 mustang will trap 115mph in 1/8mile and he has 500-700hp depending on if he had his turbo turned on or not(true story btw, we made fun of him all night)

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I had a 2000 Prelude that was pretty fast for FWD. I only had intake,header,exhaust + good driver = faster than 350Z,s2000,g35. Not as fast as STI or EVO but that prelude h22 in an accord can do damage.
Ya... ??

tell me how your fwd prelude with those mods, making anywhere from 160-170whp, weighing just shy of 3000 lbs (ya i researched quite a bit) beats a 350z which makes ~100 more hp AND is RWD AND weighing only 200 lbs more... or the s2k which is rwd AND makes about 50whp more AND weighs slightly less than a prelude....

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Does it have some old technology in it? Yes.
Is the whole car old technology? No.

Like everyone else mentioned the engine is getting a little dated the VQ architecture came out in 1994.
Also for being an 08-09' model it held up fairly well to the current market.
With that said I can't wait for the next gen Z, really curious of what they will do with the nomenclature and of course the specs
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Got some free time at work and did some browse on car reviews at Edmunds. I was surprised by some 0-60 results. The cunky X3 can do so in 5.8 secs and 2013 Accord = 6.1 secs.

Our Z is roughly at 5.x secs (roadster / coupe / auto manual all different). Z is a true sport car, but it's < 1 sec quicker than X3 and Accord.

Is the current Z getting old?
It's a 3400 LB car with roughly 260 RWHP. That is not a recipe for low 0-60 times.

It's an awesome car, but it's not a dragster. No shame in that.
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I believe the 370z used existing 350z architecture as a starting point, so that may be considered older tech. The VQ37VHR is the newest version of VQ. Seems like VQ35DE is much older and more widely used from the past 5-10 years. The VVEL (variable valve event + lift) is newer technology used in the 370z/G37's engine.
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