Spawn Aerodynamics - Bullittes CF build thread.

Caravanshaka · 07-09-2009, 12:56 PM

so, where are the updates??

shadspimp · 07-09-2009, 01:10 PM

I honestly was about to post the same thing.

Dee@Amplified · 07-09-2009, 01:26 PM

Very interested in seeing what you guys come up with, it would be nice to have all theses products available.

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-09-2009, 02:04 PM

Turns out we got a bad kind of epoxy resin for the CF parts (which was crazy because the company knew we were making exterior cf parts so we needed high endurance resin) The resin wouldnt be able to take over 120F. So they gave us our money back for it and now we are just waiting from another company who is sending us a gal sample of a resin they use for NHRA cars so they say it should be perfect.

Bullitt will be taking home a pretty much stock 370Z and then we will be sending him a

CF hood
CF roof
CF hatch
CF rear bumper valance
CF b pillars
CF front bumper lisence plate back and we think that is it unless im missing something.

But chances are we will get those last 3 things done in time but we will see.

As of product availablity. All of it is ready to order accept the hood n hatch. There will just be a short wait time for the resins.

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-09-2009, 02:11 PM

P.S Our parts will be full carbon fiber. Other companies like Seibon and Extreme Dimensions use one layer of carbon fiber backed with fiberglass. Ours will be full carbon.

The only thing that might not be fll carbon are the tiny pieces like B pillars and such since they are practically weightless to begin with.

Caravanshaka · 07-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpawnAeroJohn

Turns out we got a bad kind of epoxy resin for the CF parts (which was crazy because the company knew we were making exterior cf parts so we needed high endurance resin) The resin wouldnt be able to take over 120F. So they gave us our money back for it and now we are just waiting from another company who is sending us a gal sample of a resin they use for NHRA cars so they say it should be perfect.

Bullitt will be taking home a pretty much stock 370Z and then we will be sending him a

CF hood
CF roof
CF hatch
CF rear bumper valance
CF b pillars
CF front bumper lisence plate back and we think that is it unless im missing something.

But chances are we will get those last 3 things done in time but we will see.

As of product availablity. All of it is ready to order accept the hood n hatch. There will just be a short wait time for the resins.

ouch, so those pieces you made (roof and front license) are useless? Hope they paid you back for that carbon as well!

so are we going to get a full price list anytime soon? Oh, and what about the lip kits and possible bumpers, any news on those?

wstar · 07-09-2009, 02:47 PM

Sorry to hear about the resin mixup, that sucks. 120F is nothing, if I had a bumper with resin that melted at 120F it would be dead the first day around here lately

JohnnyBgood · 07-09-2009, 03:56 PM

Great thread, guys. Thanks for being so forthcoming with your process. I'm anxiously awaiting some installed pics, and I'll be ordering some bits too.

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-09-2009, 04:10 PM

Great Johnny!

Yeah when they told me they have resins that can hold up to 180. I chuckled and said 153 is average in the sun temperature for chicago. Imagine anything south / west. The minimum has got to be at least 200. And thats just for the parts that arent near the engine. Hoods, fenders, etc have to be able to withstand at least 400.

CCCLXXZ · 07-10-2009, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpawnAeroJohn

Our carbon fiber is some of the best carbon fiber materials available. And we don’t use cheap polyester resins. We use the best resins we can find which is a clear super strong epoxy system that we purchase locally. All of our products (even fiberglass products) are either vacuum bagged or vacuum infused and bagged. That offers the best quality available since it gives you a perfect resin to material ratio, which results in strong, light, thin, long lasting parts. We also clear coat every product in UV resistant Dupont automotive clear. Our cost is about 250 - 300 a gallon so its good clear.

Eh?

MAX CLR-HP A/B performs well at room temperature use and can withstand cyclic exposure to temperatures form -40°C to 112°C with minimal loss of mechanical performance. Check this resin out from ebay, its not too expensive and has good transparent properties.

They suggest baking in an oven at 110 Celsius to promote quicker curing time.

Nick

Scribe · 07-10-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpawnAeroJohn

Turns out we got a bad kind of epoxy resin for the CF parts (which was crazy because the company knew we were making exterior cf parts so we needed high endurance resin) The resin wouldnt be able to take over 120F. So they gave us our money back for it and now we are just waiting from another company who is sending us a gal sample of a resin they use for NHRA cars so they say it should be perfect.

Bullitt will be taking home a pretty much stock 370Z and then we will be sending him a

CF hood
CF roof
CF hatch
CF rear bumper valance
CF b pillars
CF front bumper lisence plate back and we think that is it unless im missing something.

But chances are we will get those last 3 things done in time but we will see.

As of product availablity. All of it is ready to order accept the hood n hatch. There will just be a short wait time for the resins.

Well since we know about availability, what about prices? I'm interested in specs as well for the performance oriented pieces (hood and hatch). How much lighter are they than their aluminum counterparts. I'm sure I'll have to add several pounds for primer/paint. Which brings me to my next question, what are the painting procedures for a piece like this? Anything special or can we basically key the epoxy, prime and paint?

Thanks.

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-10-2009, 12:57 PM

CF hood (yet to be priced)
CF roof $650 (your price $500)
CF hatch (yet to be priced)
CF rear bumper valance $500 (Your price $450)
CF b pillars $225 (Your price $200)
CF front bumper lisence plate back $225 (Your price $200)

and we think that is it unless im missing something.

As far as painting the hoods and or CF hatch if you want them painted let us know and we can do CF and send it primed. All the shop would have to do is sand the primer, apply his own primer if he wants or just a sealer coat. Then paint. Our primers are urathane based which is the standard paint system used at most shops. Water based primers can be requested upon order for a small extra fee for those states that require shops to use water based paints.

racerxj17 · 07-10-2009, 12:59 PM

sorry if this has been answered since there are so many threads, but have you posted ANY pictures of final products?

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-10-2009, 01:07 PM

Not yet. In the middle of it all we found out the clear epoxy we were using was no good for what we were doing. Like I said before its not us its the company who sold us the wrong product.

We have a few different types of epoxies here that we just got yesterday and today that we will see which one is the best to use.

High temp epoxies ftw! Cheap carbon fiber parts use low temp epoxies so say for example if you left the part out in california sun all week the part would fall appart on you. Thats why we need high temp.

209Z · 07-10-2009, 06:53 PM

this is good to hear because I got a buddy with a 2005 250z. With a CF hood and its already starting to turn yellow with some cracks on the hood. Cuz no Clear coat

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Very interested in this and cant wait to see the final product!!

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209Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Stockton, Cali (209) Posts: 1,058 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 278	this is good to hear because I got a buddy with a 2005 250z. With a CF hood and its already starting to turn yellow with some cracks on the hood. Cuz no Clear coat. Very interested in this and cant wait to see the final product!! __________________ Team Blur My Build Thread Fast Intentions\|KWS\|BERK\|Carbon Fiber Element\| SEIBON\|Memphis Car Audio\| Status Autoworks\|Lusso Forged\|Autohaus\|PWJDM\|SPC

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07-09-2009, 12:56 PM	#106 (permalink)
Caravanshaka I shake Caravans Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: north Dallas Posts: 9,517 Drives: everyone crazy Rep Power: 42	so, where are the updates??

07-09-2009, 01:10 PM	#107 (permalink)
shadspimp Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 63 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 16	I honestly was about to post the same thing.

07-09-2009, 01:26 PM	#108 (permalink)
Dee@Amplified Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: CA Posts: 118 Drives: MB Base 6MT w/Sport Rep Power: 0	Very interested in seeing what you guys come up with, it would be nice to have all theses products available.

07-09-2009, 02:04 PM	#109 (permalink)
SpawnAeroJohn NOT A CURRENT VENDOR Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 609 Drives: you Rep Power: 17	Turns out we got a bad kind of epoxy resin for the CF parts (which was crazy because the company knew we were making exterior cf parts so we needed high endurance resin) The resin wouldnt be able to take over 120F. So they gave us our money back for it and now we are just waiting from another company who is sending us a gal sample of a resin they use for NHRA cars so they say it should be perfect. Bullitt will be taking home a pretty much stock 370Z and then we will be sending him a CF hood CF roof CF hatch CF rear bumper valance CF b pillars CF front bumper lisence plate back and we think that is it unless im missing something. But chances are we will get those last 3 things done in time but we will see. As of product availablity. All of it is ready to order accept the hood n hatch. There will just be a short wait time for the resins.

07-09-2009, 02:11 PM	#110 (permalink)
SpawnAeroJohn NOT A CURRENT VENDOR Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 609 Drives: you Rep Power: 17	P.S Our parts will be full carbon fiber. Other companies like Seibon and Extreme Dimensions use one layer of carbon fiber backed with fiberglass. Ours will be full carbon. The only thing that might not be fll carbon are the tiny pieces like B pillars and such since they are practically weightless to begin with.

07-09-2009, 03:56 PM	#113 (permalink)
JohnnyBgood Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 55 Drives: 2016 Sport Tech 7AT Rep Power: 16	Great thread, guys. Thanks for being so forthcoming with your process. I'm anxiously awaiting some installed pics, and I'll be ordering some bits too.

07-09-2009, 04:10 PM	#114 (permalink)
SpawnAeroJohn NOT A CURRENT VENDOR Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 609 Drives: you Rep Power: 17	Great Johnny! Yeah when they told me they have resins that can hold up to 180. I chuckled and said 153 is average in the sun temperature for chicago. Imagine anything south / west. The minimum has got to be at least 200. And thats just for the parts that arent near the engine. Hoods, fenders, etc have to be able to withstand at least 400.

07-10-2009, 12:57 PM	#117 (permalink)
SpawnAeroJohn NOT A CURRENT VENDOR Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 609 Drives: you Rep Power: 17	CF hood (yet to be priced) CF roof $650 (your price $500) CF hatch (yet to be priced) CF rear bumper valance $500 (Your price $450) CF b pillars $225 (Your price $200) CF front bumper lisence plate back $225 (Your price $200) and we think that is it unless im missing something. As far as painting the hoods and or CF hatch if you want them painted let us know and we can do CF and send it primed. All the shop would have to do is sand the primer, apply his own primer if he wants or just a sealer coat. Then paint. Our primers are urathane based which is the standard paint system used at most shops. Water based primers can be requested upon order for a small extra fee for those states that require shops to use water based paints.

07-10-2009, 01:07 PM	#119 (permalink)
SpawnAeroJohn NOT A CURRENT VENDOR Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 609 Drives: you Rep Power: 17	Not yet. In the middle of it all we found out the clear epoxy we were using was no good for what we were doing. Like I said before its not us its the company who sold us the wrong product. We have a few different types of epoxies here that we just got yesterday and today that we will see which one is the best to use. High temp epoxies ftw! Cheap carbon fiber parts use low temp epoxies so say for example if you left the part out in california sun all week the part would fall appart on you. Thats why we need high temp.