Spawn Aerodynamics - Bullittes CF build thread.

[LiquidZ]

Originally Posted by wstar

I don't see why they would make a drawing, they're going to mold the original pieces, so it's not like it's done in CAD software or anything.

Ok so for this car, the roof is going to be an overlay, so we won't get a roof weight. The front stuff (fenders, hood) are going to be a complete replacement though right?

I remember seeing a drawing on the design they were thinking of, but I haven't seen anything newer. I was just wondering if there were newer versions.

[bullitt5897]

We have yet to release the widebody design so you guys will have to wait for that one lol

[bullitt5897]

The Rear is sooo freaking aggressive yet CLEAN!!!

[xiven]

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

We have yet to release the widebody design so you guys will have to wait for that one lol

i can't remember if you showed that to me or not. i do remember the front.

[SpawnAeroJohn]

The roof is going to be an overlay (roughly 2 - 4 lbs) Very thin and light so it sits super flush.

The hood, fenders, and hatch will be direct swaps.

Then we have a few other overlays and small part replacements that we are holding off as suprises!

[SpawnAeroJohn]

Updates coming tonight!

[SpawnAeroJohn]

Sorry for not updating you guys last night! I was working till 12 trying to stay on schedule. Ill post last nights and tonights update around 8PM central time.

Tomorrow we will also have carbon fiber roofs and front bumper license plate overlays ready to order.

[Scribe]

John,

Something that I think you should take into consideration, after your intial effort here, is reproducing the Nismo front in carbon fiber. You are basically targeting a few small demographics:

1. People that want a light front fascia and don't care if it looks stock.
2. People that have to have everything in carbon fiber (including their significant other if they could).

Nissan has really dropped the ball (and opened a door for someone else) by not offering the Nismo front fascia for sale even in ABS plastic. If you were to get your hands on one for a mould, you could easily produce them in carbon fiber the same as you are here. This would appeal to much broader consumer base, such as:

3. People that think the fangs aren't the greatest.
4. People that like the Nismo front more but Nissan left out in the cold.
5. People that want the proven aero design of the Nismo front.
6. People that want a high quality alternative to stock (basically people that feel compelled to mod).

I hope all this pans out and pays off for you. I just wanted to throw out the idea for consideration/discussion. You may have already thought of it.

Keep up the good work.

[SpawnAeroJohn]

Nismo CF front would be a very good idea. Very very good. That would shed more than %50 of the front bumper weight.

When it comes to a time in a few weeks when we want another Z to come down for more parts then we will GI this idea

[Togo]

Originally Posted by in.the.dark

John,

Something that I think you should take into consideration, after your intial effort here, is reproducing the Nismo front in carbon fiber. You are basically targeting a few small demographics:

1. People that want a light front fascia and don't care if it looks stock.
2. People that have to have everything in carbon fiber (including their significant other if they could).

Nissan has really dropped the ball (and opened a door for someone else) by not offering the Nismo front fascia for sale even in ABS plastic. If you were to get your hands on one for a mould, you could easily produce them in carbon fiber the same as you are here. This would appeal to much broader consumer base, such as:

3. People that think the fangs aren't the greatest.
4. People that like the Nismo front more but Nissan left out in the cold.
5. People that want the proven aero design of the Nismo front.
6. People that want a high quality alternative to stock (basically people that feel compelled to mod).

I hope all this pans out and pays off for you. I just wanted to throw out the idea for consideration/discussion. You may have already thought of it.

Keep up the good work.

Personally I don't think that is something that I personally would (eventually) be interested in purchasing myself, however the idea is brilliant. Make a NISMO in CF and corner an entire market!

I'm glad you guys are tackling this head on, props to you.

In for the updates

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by SpawnAeroJohn

Nismo CF front would be a very good idea. Very very good. That would shed more than %50 of the front bumper weight.

When it comes to a time in a few weeks when we want another Z to come down for more parts then we will GI this idea

You make a full Nismo 370Z kit, and I'll buy it.

[marcussoori]

Originally Posted by in.the.dark

John,

Something that I think you should take into consideration, after your intial effort here, is reproducing the Nismo front in carbon fiber. You are basically targeting a few small demographics:

1. People that want a light front fascia and don't care if it looks stock.
2. People that have to have everything in carbon fiber (including their significant other if they could).

Nissan has really dropped the ball (and opened a door for someone else) by not offering the Nismo front fascia for sale even in ABS plastic. If you were to get your hands on one for a mould, you could easily produce them in carbon fiber the same as you are here. This would appeal to much broader consumer base, such as:

3. People that think the fangs aren't the greatest.
4. People that like the Nismo front more but Nissan left out in the cold.
5. People that want the proven aero design of the Nismo front.
6. People that want a high quality alternative to stock (basically people that feel compelled to mod).

I hope all this pans out and pays off for you. I just wanted to throw out the idea for consideration/discussion. You may have already thought of it.

Keep up the good work.

Please also reproduce the Nismo Z edition rear bumper. Carbon fiber is not necessary, just in the same material Nissan uses would be fine. I am assuming that if the Nismo front is not sold (what about replacement parts, will this require a VIN?), the rear bumper won't be sold either...

Thanks...

[SpawnAeroJohn]

If I got a VIN number of a nismo (I might not even need one) I know Nissan would bring us the kit with in the weeks end. Assuming we ordered on the begenning of the week. Like I said this needs its own GI thread and another test fitter to come by. If we found a Nismo owner we would have no need to purchase a kit which would make it cheaper for you guys. Im guessing the Nismo kit costs over $1500.

OOK back on topic! This is the bullitt thread!

[RCZ]

If you make a nismo front bumper replica, just PM me your paypal no questions asked.

[CCCLXXZ]

If I am understanding your statement correctly... you are proposing that if you had a Nismo 370z VIN number, and that you might not even need one...that Nissan could and would ship you all the Nismo replacement panels before the end of this week for under $1500 dollars? Ill tell you what, lets make a deal. Order the kit, make the molds, and Ill buy it off of you for $1000 dollars after your finished with them.

I have been following your thread, and haven't commented on anything yet. I have a few questions that I have been pondering.

What is your solution for storing the molds in your garage to retain proper symmetry and strength without distorting the original mold shape?

Similarly, if you don't have the original parts you are creating... assuming you are making a fiberglass mold, what is your plan if one of the molds break or crack in the future?

How do you control the humidity and temperature level in your workspace to achieve proper curing as per recommended specs consistent with the resin you use and to prevent the carbon fiber fabric to absorb ambient moisture?

I am assuming you have never made a carbon fiber hood before because you have not mentioned making two molds for the hood. One mold provides the exterior contours and the latter the interior contours and structural rigidity. Once both molds are complete the two parts need to be bonded with carbon specific structural adhesive for wet layup, if dry carbon was used you could reintroduce heat and the two pieces would bond together in an autoclave.

What accommodations have you planned to incorporate the hood mounting hardware, for the hinges and hood latches?

I could ask so many more questions.... but I will just continue to watch. My questions are in no form derogatory or demeaning. I am trying to present constructive criticism to address areas where this extreme hobby experiment can go wrong. I hope to buy a few enhancements if all turns out well... I just think a simple dash kit would have been a good place to start and then add one additional product at a time.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me as I live very close to you and have created a few carbon pieces for hobby value.

There is a reason why F-1 teams have multi-million dollar budgets, because they work with and use carbon fiber...

And to throw it out and make this my longest post yet, OCC owned a steel manufacturing enterprise before dabbling with motorcycles. And coincidentally those motorcycles were made of 80% steel parts. Never did Paul Sr. design and build a motorcycle in his basement or garage...

Thank you for your time - that is all for now,

Nick