Why are reviewers so hard on the z?

Z_ealot

thats where the ignore function comes in handy

captain1

because those morons can't afford one.

Cmike2780

Doing actual reseach isn't that difficult, maybe I should write my own column.

2012 Nissan 370Z Base 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Reliability

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shadoquad

"Cmike's Car Column For Noobs"

Cmike2780

Yup!

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..


No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto


No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto


No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto


...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!

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UNKNOWN_370

I've pulled up that stat and true delta stats which are us directly. Somehow they are not valid to the reverse fanboys. Only corporate funded consumer reports has all the correct answers.

UNKNOWN_370

Hilarious!!!

Red__Zed

I know you've seen my discussion about the statistical irrelevance of true delta.

Self reported, small sample size statistics are inherently flawed and essentially useless.

b1adesofcha0s

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UNKNOWN_370

actually i havn't but i know i fill out all true delta reports every 3 months in full detail when necessary. Send me a link to that report.

Red__Zed

All the info you need is here:


Sampling bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sample size determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NissanGuy23

Not so sure about this one, corvettes are treated as gods by car mags am i missing something? The vette is the mags all time fav car, always on the cover, always in vids they upload like "vette smokes XYZ", always 1st place in every test agaist Ford GT, Viper, Murcielago, ect.

UNKNOWN_370

I see what you mean. But sampling is not meant to give exacts anyway, but an idea. At least you get a small society of people in your situation. You take it as a general guide. it's like polls in politics. They give you a general idea, as long as they aren't rigged. But they don't determine who will be the next president.
Nielsen ratings cancelled many a good show based on sampling. I know where you're coming from. But car samples, though you can't get biblical with them, do hold some type of value. at least an 1/8 value to your total research. The forum is a sample bias as well... But i won't negate it as a 1/8 soursce as well.
The problem with corporate sponsored ratings sytem like CR vs Edmunds is that CR may declare unreliability due to a sample set of minor TSB issues vs independents who look for things that the common public consider substantial issues. Long term tests from 8 magazines would be sample testing. C&D brake failure... Sample test. Everything is a sample test in media.

Red__Zed

Right, and this present a small glimpse into why self-reporting is dangerous as well. With exit polls, certain types of people are more likely to report who they voted for, skewing the results. This gets even more extreme when you talk cars and reliability.



yeah, based on flawed sampling...bad sampling processes are the problem. And if you think Nielsen's practices are bad, look at TD...


I don't think you are getting the point.