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Z_ealot 09-06-2012 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1903916)
:facepalm:

My head hurts.


thats where the ignore function comes in handy :D

captain1 09-06-2012 04:07 AM

because those morons can't afford one.

Cmike2780 09-06-2012 10:46 AM

Doing actual reseach isn't that difficult, maybe I should write my own column.

2012 Nissan 370Z Base 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Reliability

shadoquad 09-06-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1904293)
Doing actual reseach isn't that difficult, maybe I should write my own column.

2012 Nissan 370Z Base 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Reliability

"Cmike's Car Column For Noobs" :icon17:

Cmike2780 09-06-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1904297)
"Cmike's Car Column For Noobs" :icon17:

Yup!:icon18:

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..:superghey:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010-smart-fortwo.jpg

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto
http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...us-red-b02.jpg

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cFu8pY7Yp_...on-IQ-2012.jpg

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rpYRP2RD_0...-vw-beetle.jpg

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....p1_07_opta.jpg

shadoquad 09-06-2012 11:18 AM

:icon18:

UNKNOWN_370 09-06-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1904293)
Doing actual reseach isn't that difficult, maybe I should write my own column.

2012 Nissan 370Z Base 3.7L V6 6-speed Manual Reliability

I've pulled up that stat and true delta stats which are us directly. Somehow they are not valid to the reverse fanboys. Only corporate funded consumer reports has all the correct answers.

:ughdance:

UNKNOWN_370 09-06-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1904330)
Yup!:icon18:

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..:superghey:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010-smart-fortwo.jpg

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto
http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...us-red-b02.jpg

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cFu8pY7Yp_...on-IQ-2012.jpg

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rpYRP2RD_0...-vw-beetle.jpg

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....p1_07_opta.jpg

Hilarious!!!:icon18:

Red__Zed 09-06-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1904613)
I've pulled up that stat and true delta stats which are us directly. Somehow they are not valid to the reverse fanboys. Only corporate funded consumer reports has all the correct answers.

:ughdance:

I know you've seen my discussion about the statistical irrelevance of true delta.

Self reported, small sample size statistics are inherently flawed and essentially useless.

b1adesofcha0s 09-06-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1904330)
Yup!:icon18:

Cmike's List of Used Cars to Avoid:

No.1 The Smart Fortwo...bacause...come on..:superghey:
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2010-smart-fortwo.jpg

No.2 The Toyota Prius...ditto
http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...us-red-b02.jpg

No.3 The Scion iQ...ditto
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cFu8pY7Yp_...on-IQ-2012.jpg

No.4 The VW New Beetle...ditto
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rpYRP2RD_0...-vw-beetle.jpg

...and last but not least,

No.5 The 5.0 Mustang, because those bastards made it faster than the Z!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....p1_07_opta.jpg

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

UNKNOWN_370 09-06-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1904635)
I know you've seen my discussion about the statistical irrelevance of true delta.

Self reported, small sample size statistics are inherently flawed and essentially useless.

actually i havn't but i know i fill out all true delta reports every 3 months in full detail when necessary. Send me a link to that report.

Red__Zed 09-06-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1904698)
actually i havn't but i know i fill out all true delta reports every 3 months in full detail when necessary. Send me a link to that report.

All the info you need is here:


Sampling bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sample size determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NissanGuy23 09-06-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 1903006)
If you guys think journalists are tough on the 370Z, you should be glad you don't own a Corvette.

Ouch.

Not so sure about this one, corvettes are treated as gods by car mags am i missing something? The vette is the mags all time fav car, always on the cover, always in vids they upload like "vette smokes XYZ", always 1st place in every test agaist Ford GT, Viper, Murcielago, ect.

UNKNOWN_370 09-06-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1904703)

I see what you mean. But sampling is not meant to give exacts anyway, but an idea. At least you get a small society of people in your situation. You take it as a general guide. it's like polls in politics. They give you a general idea, as long as they aren't rigged. But they don't determine who will be the next president.
Nielsen ratings cancelled many a good show based on sampling. I know where you're coming from. But car samples, though you can't get biblical with them, do hold some type of value. at least an 1/8 value to your total research. The forum is a sample bias as well... But i won't negate it as a 1/8 soursce as well.
The problem with corporate sponsored ratings sytem like CR vs Edmunds is that CR may declare unreliability due to a sample set of minor TSB issues vs independents who look for things that the common public consider substantial issues. Long term tests from 8 magazines would be sample testing. C&D brake failure... Sample test. Everything is a sample test in media.

Red__Zed 09-06-2012 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1904784)
I see what you mean. But sampling is not meant to give exacts anyway, but an idea. At least you get a small society of people in your situation. You take it as a general guide. it's like polls in politics. They give you a general idea, as long as they aren't rigged. But they don't determine who will be the next president.

Right, and this present a small glimpse into why self-reporting is dangerous as well. With exit polls, certain types of people are more likely to report who they voted for, skewing the results. This gets even more extreme when you talk cars and reliability.



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Nielsen ratings cancelled many a good show based on sampling. I know where you're coming from. But car samples, though you can't get biblical with them, do hold some type of value. at least an 1/8 value to your total research. The forum is a sample bias as well... But i won't negate it as a 1/8 soursce as well.
yeah, based on flawed sampling...bad sampling processes are the problem. And if you think Nielsen's practices are bad, look at TD...


Quote:

The problem with corporate sponsored ratings sytem like CR vs Edmunds is that CR may declare unreliability due to a sample set of minor TSB issues vs independents who look for things that the common public consider substantial issues. Long term tests from 8 magazines would be sample testing. C&D brake failure... Sample test. Everything is a sample test in media.
I don't think you are getting the point.


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