Genesis Vs. 370Z

BanningZ · 02-18-2009, 09:43 AM

^^^Ouch!

Ouch for you and the car.

CrownR426 · 02-18-2009, 11:24 AM

Damn...
So looks like motherland country is steppin up their game!
But failed...

dad · 02-18-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Didn't even noticed that. But it is a offset crash and needs to be head on center with the bumper to have the airbags off. This was a head on on the driver side portion of the car (which I still think they should have went off), but I have seen many cars not go off due to this type of accident.

I am still impressed with the compartment though didn't collapse hardly at all due to the force of the impact that happened.

It does not need to be a "head on center with the bumper" to activate the air bag(s).

SMJane_Again · 02-18-2009, 10:03 PM

Wow, this thread has become a monster! Just got caught up and I have to say that if the topic has been debated this much on an enthusiast forum, then it stands to reason that your average consumer will in fact cross shop these two cars. The inevitable questions we have to ask ourselves is: 1. Will the fact the Genesis is a Hyundai (the heretofore well documented stigma that goes along with the marque) be overcome by the price disparity that a similarily specced Z has? 2. Does the average consumer even care the Genesis is a Hyundai?

Someone earlier quoted the article published in CAR about the Genesis being driven in South Korea. They failed to quote the portion of the article deriding the Genesis' horrible ride quality "...Yet the amble does highlight a flaw: the Genesis rides badly, its damping lacking the supple polish of the best sporting all-rounders. Perhaps a trip to Lotus would be in order. While they're at it, a proper limited-slip diff would be good too. Our car's locking diff is too lazy and imprecise to get power down cleanly when you're really pushing." Interestingly enough though, they end with a positive outlook saying "Today, with the Genesis Coupe, the company has built a truly world-class product. Let's just hope they have the sense to bring it to Britain." (p.86 Jan '09)

This seemingly at-odds conclusion is why I subscribe to EVO.

S.

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I had an offset crash in my 350 and both airbags deployed.

Right but you had your seatbelt on right?

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dad

It does not need to be a "head on center with the bumper" to activate the air bag(s).

Yes it does. Ask any body shop or insurance company. I have personally had a accident that wasn't dead center and the airbags didnt' go off. The sensor is in the center of bumper area of the car, and if it doesn't get impacted, it won't go off.

semtex · 02-19-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Right but you had your seatbelt on right?

Yes I did. But my point is that the impact was not "head on center with the bumper." I think there may be some confusion over semantics going on here. If you're saying that the sensor in the front bumper must be impacted for the airbags to go off, then I would agree with you absolutely. But if you're saying that the collision itself must be head-on, then I disagree. To put it another way, a collision doesn't have to be head-on in order for the sensor in the front bumper to be impacted. The impact to my 350 was not head on -- I was turning left when a minivan hit my front passenger side just ahead of the front wheel. Obviously it was enough of an impact to trigger the airbag sensor. But it wasn't a head-on collision is all I'm saying.

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 10:43 AM

True, it doesn't have to be directly head on, but the sensor either way has to be impacted, if it isn't which is less likely from a offset collision it will go off.

zsport1 · 02-19-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

True, it doesn't have to be directly head on, but the sensor either way has to be impacted, if it isn't which is less likely from a offset collision it will go off.

With an impact that rips the front end off the car the airbags should have gone off for sure.

G&M Performance · 02-19-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by zsport1

Not really. There are just some Genesis fan boys keeping the thread alive. Same thing happened on my350z.

Man you are being a little harsh. Don't get me wrong, I love the 370Z, but please give credit where it is due. Hyundai has really made some major strides towards a bright future in the sports car department. Is it as "prestigious" as Nissan's sports car heritage? Not yet. But they are certainly making their way up the chain.

And what about overall quality? I don't see Nissan (#14) up where Hyundai (#8) is. What's up with that? Heritage? Prestige? I thought companies are supposed to build better products over time?

Now about the accident photos... Sure, the airbags did not deploy in the wreck that you posted, but there are lemons in virtually every brand. As unfortunate as it is, sometimes stuff doesn't work. Anyway, I understand that you're loyal to Nissan and that you're merely defending the company that makes money off of you. But like I said #14 is not any better than #8 and the "other" supposed inferior company is still increasing the gap.

In the end, it's all about what you can afford and what you personally like. I am not a Hyundai fanboy, but I am smart enough to point out that it's a great company.

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zsport1

With an impact that rips the front end off the car the airbags should have gone off for sure.

Not if the sensor isn't crushed in the accident. The Sensor is mounted usually on the radiator support behind the bumper itself in the middle of the car.

But on this car it should have went off because the front of the car where the sensor usually is was pushed far enough back that there was no reason for it not to go off unless it's because of the seat belts then that might be why.

semtex · 02-19-2009, 11:58 AM

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zsport1 · 02-19-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaman370z

Man you are being a little harsh. Don't get me wrong, I love the 370Z, but please give credit where it is due. Hyundai has really made some major strides towards a bright future in the sports car department.

And what about overall quality? I don't see Nissan (#14) up where Hyundai (#8) is. What's up with that? Heritage? Prestige? I thought companies are supposed to build better products over time?

There is no doubt that Hyundai has made vast improvements over the years. But my opinion is based on experience. I travel often for work and have rented and driven several Hyundai products. And even though the quality has improved it still feels like a cheap product. Overall quality? Go check that list again and you will find that Infiniti ranks above Hyaundai. Yes, a Nissan product.

Harsh? No not really.

zsport1 · 02-19-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Not if the sensor isn't crushed in the accident. The Sensor is mounted usually on the radiator support behind the bumper itself in the middle of the car.

Now you are an airbag specialist? I bet you took one of those blind Nissan surveys....

G&M Performance · 02-19-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zsport1

There is no doubt that Hyundai has made vast improvements over the years. But my opinion is based on experience. I travel often for work and have rented and driven several Hyundai products. And even though the quality has improved it still feels like a cheap product. Overall quality? Go check that list again and you will find that Infiniti ranks above Hyaundai. Yes, a Nissan product.

Harsh? No not really.

Yeah you're right about Infinity, but the Nissan labeled products are not as superior. Why is that anyway? Oh, and we all know that rentals are bottom of the barrel vehicles!

I understand where you're coming from though.

Now if you would do me a favor, go take the time to test drive a Genesis coupe when they hit the dealerships. It may help you better appreciate their efforts.

By the way, the flyers have been passed out.

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