New Motortrend review of 2012 370Z

brucelidat · 09-03-2012, 02:31 PM

Anyone know what the pros and cons are for the torsen vs. a quaife?

Red__Zed · 09-03-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Anyone know what the pros and cons are for the torsen vs. a quaife?

the quaife is a torsen

brucelidat · 09-03-2012, 02:42 PM

oops, i thought we were referring to a brand, haha, ok.

Red__Zed · 09-03-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

oops, i thought we were referring to a brand, haha, ok.

I guess technically Torsen is a brand, but it's a bit like Kleenex or Band-aid, in that everyone refers to helical diffs as torsens.

TypeOne · 09-04-2012, 11:15 AM

Interesting....

bigsix · 09-04-2012, 06:42 PM

An honest review. Nissan makes a brute type of car w/ power and torque.

Huck · 09-04-2012, 11:30 PM

I'm just glad he wasn't blindly bashing it like most people seem to have been doing in their reviews lately.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-05-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Huck

I'm just glad he wasn't blindly bashing it like most people seem to have been doing in their reviews lately.

You know whats wrong with car magazines today. Car guys don't test cars. journalists do. Corporate sponsored drones who test cars based on a one sided spectrum vs the universal spectrum of the automotive industry.

So if a guy loves Camry's? He expects the z to have 6 cup-holders. If he loves Cadillac's...Why doesn't the z have 12 memory power seats? If he loves Mustangs... Why can't the Z have a V8... This isn't car reviewing.

Are they basing a car on its talents or your bias interpretation of a sports car. It's ok for a reviewer to express his preferences in order for the consumer to relate to the driver and understand why he would prefer a, lets say, "Mustang" over a Z. But it's another to compare the cars as if they serve the same performance purpose, when they don't.

At least mustang has camaro and challenger to show up. The genesis coupe can go 10k upmarket and battle the G37 and 3 series. In a way, the 2.0 and FR-S doesn't match but makes more sense due to them being priced equally and both being RWD 4 seat coupes.
The Z has no competitor in its class and can only be compared the Porsche Cayman S, Boxster and BMW Z4 over $20k upmarket, double what the gencoupe deals with.... They can say the others are more refined but can't say they outperform the Z. So the Z needs to be underdogged by near non-competitors in order to keep the corporate sponsors happy. The Z is too unique in its price-point and other car companies are to scared to make a real competitor. Imagine GM's version of a Z? Or ford? Dodge maybe? lol.

The vette is something else... Japanese couldn't make a vette... Americans can't build a Z. And you can't review them like they are one of the same. BUT that's what american/british magazines do.

WE NEED TO GET CAR GUYS BACK IN THE CAR MAGS.

Huck · 09-05-2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You know whats wrong with car magazines today. Car guys don't test cars. journalists do. Corporate sponsored drones who test cars based on a one sided spectrum vs the universal spectrum of the automotive industry.

So if a guy loves Camry's? He expects the z to have 6 cup-holders. If he loves Cadillac's...Why doesn't the z have 12 memory power seats? If he loves Mustangs... Why can't the Z have a V8... This isn't car reviewing.

Are they basing a car on its talents or your bias interpretation of a sports car. It's ok for a reviewer to express his preferences in order for the consumer to relate to the driver and understand why he would prefer a, lets say, "Mustang" over a Z. But it's another to compare the cars as if they serve the same performance purpose, when they don't.

At least mustang has camaro and challenger to show up. The genesis coupe can go 10k upmarket and battle the G37 and 3 series. In a way, the 2.0 and FR-S doesn't match but makes more sense due to them being priced equally and both being RWD 4 seat coupes.
The Z has no competitor in its class and can only be compared the Porsche Cayman S, Boxster and BMW Z4 over $20k upmarket, couble what the gencoupe deals with.... They can say the others are more refined but can't say they outperform the Z. So the Z needs to be underdogged by near non-competitors in order to keep the corporate sponsors happy. The Z is too unique in its price-point and other car companies are to scared to make a real competitor. Imagine GM's version of a Z? Or ford? Dodge maybe? lol.

The vette is something else... Japanese couldn't make a vette... Americans can't build a Z. And you can't review them like they are one of the same. BUT that's what american/british magazines do.

WE NEED TO GET CAR GUYS BACK IN THE CAR MAGS.

You should go test cars for a living.

Sent from my iPizzle using magic and new-fangled science stuff

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-05-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Huck

You should go test cars for a living.

Sent from my iPizzle using magic and new-fangled science stuff

Thanks. lol

Huck · 09-05-2012, 01:15 PM

And then take me for a ride in all the nice ones. Hahha

Sent from my iPizzle using magic and new-fangled science stuff

Streetlife · 09-05-2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You know whats wrong with car magazines today. Car guys don't test cars. journalists do. Corporate sponsored drones who test cars based on a one sided spectrum vs the universal spectrum of the automotive industry.

So if a guy loves Camry's? He expects the z to have 6 cup-holders. If he loves Cadillac's...Why doesn't the z have 12 memory power seats? If he loves Mustangs... Why can't the Z have a V8... This isn't car reviewing.

Are they basing a car on its talents or your bias interpretation of a sports car. It's ok for a reviewer to express his preferences in order for the consumer to relate to the driver and understand why he would prefer a, lets say, "Mustang" over a Z. But it's another to compare the cars as if they serve the same performance purpose, when they don't.

At least mustang has camaro and challenger to show up. The genesis coupe can go 10k upmarket and battle the G37 and 3 series. In a way, the 2.0 and FR-S doesn't match but makes more sense due to them being priced equally and both being RWD 4 seat coupes.
The Z has no competitor in its class and can only be compared the Porsche Cayman S, Boxster and BMW Z4 over $20k upmarket, double what the gencoupe deals with.... They can say the others are more refined but can't say they outperform the Z. So the Z needs to be underdogged by near non-competitors in order to keep the corporate sponsors happy. The Z is too unique in its price-point and other car companies are to scared to make a real competitor. Imagine GM's version of a Z? Or ford? Dodge maybe? lol.

The vette is something else... Japanese couldn't make a vette... Americans can't build a Z. And you can't review them like they are one of the same. BUT that's what american/british magazines do.

WE NEED TO GET CAR GUYS BACK IN THE CAR MAGS.

hadokenuh · 09-05-2012, 03:39 PM

UNKNOWN_370's points are valid and convincing.

Telephone · 09-05-2012, 09:44 PM

I thought it was a fairly accurate review. The guy praised the Z's good qualities while pointing out some of its shortcomings. Overall, a positive review.

Then again, who cares.

JungleZ · 09-05-2012, 09:47 PM

Japanese couldn't make a vette... Americans can't build a Z."

Thats a very interesting great quote Unknown. Makes you appreicate both cars and the passion.

09-03-2012, 02:31 PM	#31 (permalink)
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brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	oops, i thought we were referring to a brand, haha, ok. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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