A letter I wrote to Nissan north america (with reply)

bigdog1250 · 08-23-2012, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Well i hope not, because the car design in question looks about 10 years outdated and very sedan-ish.

I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design.

https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154

I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official.

Those look pretty sexy! Thanks for sharing

brucelidat · 08-23-2012, 03:32 PM

the article says the info came from Shiro Nakamura, but it doesn't say anything about the sketch. Judging by the poor quality of the article, I bet they just typed in Z concept on google and pasted some picture they found there.

Xplicit97 · 08-23-2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Well i hope not, because the car design in question looks about 10 years outdated and very sedan-ish.

I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design.

https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154

I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official.

Not a fan of any of those.. But hey if they f up the next gen Z, be it by going to a 4 cyl or that it looks like ish. At least our Zs will be more valuable, and more powerful

NYBladeZ · 08-24-2012, 04:34 PM

I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-25-2012, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

Porsches 2014 cayman will be a 2900lb/350hp 2.5TT-4Banger, or at least will be an engine option. I think nissan is trying to step up to that issue. Not the FR-S. The FR-S battle with nissan is media hype to let toyota bank on american money since they are deep in the US business bed.
If toyota scion goes FI (which they said they won't. Only subie has claimed to want FI.) Then that may be a concern. I do know that toyota germany built a supercharged 320hp FT86 race car and the car looked mostly stock. Maybe Scion is preparing in case they get swallowed??? But nissan needs to focus on the budget porsche thing. They do a great job at it. FR-S worrying is wasted emotion for nissan.

Cmike2780 · 08-29-2012, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

That's true for all cars. For the most part, 1st year cars hold their value longer than the last model year of the same car.

They're not going to target BR-Z buyers any more than they target Porche/Mustang/Camaro/Audi TT/BMW buyers. That's kind of why a mini-Z was brought into discussions. Nissan is def going for the "performance" aspect in it's advertising.

A turbo 4 has a lot of potential, but a 6-cyl has a lot more. Your max power ceiling for a 4-cyl is lower than a 6-cyl. Assuming the VQ37 remains as is, a well engineered 4-cyl could match it, but it can't match a well engineered VQ37 with the same attention to engineering. Having a 3,000lbs/300hp Z will have roughly the same power to weight ratio as the current 370 and I doubt it will be faster. Raising the power and lowering the weight is a what you want.

Most people, like myself, obviously want more power, but I've never felt it lacking in the Z either. There's always another faster car just around the corner. Not a good reason to sell your Z.

brucelidat · 08-24-2012, 04:45 PM

i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ

Redglare · 08-24-2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ

I partially agree, if the Z trend continues (and I am sure it will) then the current gen Z will take a big hit just like the 07-08 Z (especially used market) did when the 09 370 came out.

I don't think nissan will target the brz market, I they will still target the same market but make the car more competitive to similar priced coupes, the idea of a 3,000 lbs + 300hp sounds more plausible, it would be icing on the cake if the hp was 350 or higher.

At the end of the day we all win, the Z will be iconic again.

brucelidat · 08-24-2012, 05:11 PM

as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha.

Alstann · 08-24-2012, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat

as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha.

I personally feel that they still hold dear to the heritage of the Z too much to drop the 6 cylinders from the Z lineup. Weren't they talking about using Mercedes Benz V6'es in their lineup soon? Curious to see how much the 3.5 DI V6 could do.

Or, harken back to the 300ZX and go smaller displacement, twin turbos.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-24-2012, 11:00 PM

The Z's performance certainly won't go down for the next gen, especially if they continue to set the Cayman as their target competition.

brucelidat · 08-25-2012, 06:49 PM

then I rescind my comment about it being the worst thing I have ever read English-wise.

Redglare · 08-25-2012, 07:31 PM

^ haha, it's still pretty bad even for a google translation.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-28-2012, 02:18 PM

Looks like the focus on the next Z will be to slim it down. I don't think we'll see them drop the performance to compete with the FT86. Rather, according to this article, Nissan may be developing a new mini Z as a separate model to fulfill that role.

http://wot.motortrend.com/slimming-d...ns-253387.html

Redglare · 08-28-2012, 09:20 PM

Also another article on the general discussion page saying a 15% power bump incoming to all nismo models?
Could we see a Z with 380-400hp by 2014?

Incoming Changes for 370, Nismo, RS platform

08-23-2012, 03:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	the article says the info came from Shiro Nakamura, but it doesn't say anything about the sketch. Judging by the poor quality of the article, I bet they just typed in Z concept on google and pasted some picture they found there. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-24-2012, 04:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money. I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z. Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

08-24-2012, 04:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-24-2012, 05:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-24-2012, 11:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	The Z's performance certainly won't go down for the next gen, especially if they continue to set the Cayman as their target competition. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

08-25-2012, 06:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	then I rescind my comment about it being the worst thing I have ever read English-wise. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-25-2012, 07:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Redglare Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: FL Posts: 387 Drives: C172 Skyhawk GIII Rep Power: 176	^ haha, it's still pretty bad even for a google translation.

08-28-2012, 02:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	Looks like the focus on the next Z will be to slim it down. I don't think we'll see them drop the performance to compete with the FT86. Rather, according to this article, Nissan may be developing a new mini Z as a separate model to fulfill that role. http://wot.motortrend.com/slimming-d...ns-253387.html __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

08-28-2012, 09:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
Redglare Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: FL Posts: 387 Drives: C172 Skyhawk GIII Rep Power: 176	Also another article on the general discussion page saying a 15% power bump incoming to all nismo models? Could we see a Z with 380-400hp by 2014? Incoming Changes for 370, Nismo, RS platform

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