A letter I wrote to Nissan north america (with reply)

bigdog1250 · 08-22-2012, 01:04 PM

Here's what the Z offer over the mustang: SEX APPEAL

It's got more than enough power and a much better overall feel. While you can't put numbers on that, you can feel it.

That's the secret sauce that made me buy it over the 5.0

VDC_OFF · 08-22-2012, 01:24 PM

please dont compare a 370Z to a mustang again. If someone asked me to trade a 400-500hp mustang for my 300whp Z, I would slap them in the face.

Z's have been getting faster every year but still horsepower isnt everything. I take my Z to events and the power it makes is perfect, considering a turbo kit less and less everyday. Feels like a strive to just be the fastest, but there is always someone faster. At some point you just need to enjoy what you have just for the fact that it does the job and makes you happy

hadokenuh · 08-22-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Amuse370z

Possible turbo?

I'd love to see a turbo-ed Z from factory. A turbo-ed 3.0 V6 engine pushing around 320hp/300lbft and I am sold.

To the OP: nice letter and nice response!

Cmike2780 · 08-22-2012, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog1250

Here's what the Z offer over the mustang: SEX APPEAL

It's got more than enough power and a much better overall feel. While you can't put numbers on that, you can feel it.

That's the secret sauce that made me buy it over the 5.0

The stang has sex appeal...in a hot cousin kind of way.

coltrain · 08-22-2012, 01:35 PM

I think the Z is starting to grow up. I remember when the 350Z first came out ... it was an unrefined affordable club racer with limited creature comforts.

The 370Z and updated 2013 370Z seem more focused on creating a livable Daily Driver. Color combinations are becoming more unique and refinements seem to be more in line with competitor German engineering.

IMHO, I think keeping the same HP / TQ would be ok. If the Z is growing up ... I think MPG's need to be addressed, as well as engine efficiency. ~18/31 MPGs is not good.

semtex · 08-22-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

Who will be the first to open a 2014 370Z speculation thread.

Well I for one will be holding out for the 2014.5 model. I'm told it's going to be F-L-A-W-L-E-S-S.

gbrettin · 08-22-2012, 03:39 PM

There are options for super chargers and turbos for our cars if power is truely an issue. Heck, Stillen SC comes with a warranty for the car even.

Power is a non-issue imho. Unless you want a crazy 1000+ beast...

Waiz · 08-22-2012, 03:45 PM

I hate to burst your bubble OP but that looks like a canned response that they send to everyone

Your comment regarding the Z becoming a luxury car might have been better suited if you were in the focus group prior to the 370z launching but at this point you're just sending a note to a low-level employee in consumer affairs that has no say in product or planning

MattP725 · 08-22-2012, 03:49 PM

I find it funny that you complained about the $$$ for power... the Z has a very good amount of power and performance for the money, infact I remember reading several articles about how it keeps up with cars priced 20-30k higher at times.

Your also comparing a 2009 generation car with a 2012-2013 (Mustang)... of course there will be improvements.

Magic Bus · 08-22-2012, 04:34 PM

Since the first car was made, it has enjoyed continued improvement in power & handling over the years. While we would all like this trend to continue, there is no guarantee of this. Our government is putting more emphasis on safety and fuel efficiency. So it's possible, significant increases in horsepower from the manufacturer with lower costs, may not occur.

With the above thought in mind. I say, buy, drive & enjoy what's available today.

TheGreatOne · 08-22-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Well I for one will be holding out for the 2014.5 model. I'm told it's going to be F-L-A-W-L-E-S-S.

this guy

meh, can't worry about 2014's but thats cool that they are saying there will be a change worth noticing.

At the end of the day though, Z's have never been the fastest on the road so I wouldn't use that for comparison, would be cool though

ERZperformance · 08-22-2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by memorylasts

Interesting....

Indeed it is!

HKYStormFront · 08-22-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by w0rM

That would certainly be a first for Nissan. I don't know of any time they updated a model one year and then redesigned it the next.

well... with the 350z, they revised the front and rear fascias in 06 (along with a slight power bump), then introduced the HR engine the following year for two years before switching to the 370z. so they revised the front end and wheels this year. next year they may introduce an engine improvement of some kind and let it run for a 1-1.5 years then introduce the next generation Z35. here's hoping

i highly doubt they are going forced induction in the Z34. i still don't think they will ever make a turbocharged Z again but i guess it could be possible in the next generation depending on their performance and economy targets. i did read in that article mike posted recently that nissan's goal is to reduce the size slightly (overall) and lower the weight as much as possible. i'd bet they'd be in the 3000lb range if not a little below for the next one. that can make a huge difference in the performance and feel of it.

edub370 · 08-22-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Since the first car was made, it has enjoyed continued improvement in power & handling over the years. While we would all like this trend to continue, there is no guarantee of this. Our government is putting more emphasis on safety and fuel efficiency. So it's possible, significant increases in horsepower from the manufacturer with lower costs, may not occur.

With the above thought in mind. I say, buy, drive & enjoy what's available today.

except for the fact that that hasnt happened....

Magic Bus · 08-22-2012, 06:17 PM

edub, That sentence was in reference to the evolution of cars in general, since the Model T. Not specifcally to the 370Z since 09.

08-22-2012, 01:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
bigdog1250 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 846 Drives: 991.2 GT3 Rep Power: 18	Here's what the Z offer over the mustang: SEX APPEAL It's got more than enough power and a much better overall feel. While you can't put numbers on that, you can feel it. That's the secret sauce that made me buy it over the 5.0 __________________ 350z / 40th 370z / C6 Z06 / BMW M4 / V10 R8 / C7 Grand Spot / 997.1 GT3 / S2K / Camaro ZL1 / 718 GTS / 991.2 GT3

08-22-2012, 01:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
VDC_OFF A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston (Pearland) Age: 44 Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 370Z M6 Rep Power: 17	please dont compare a 370Z to a mustang again. If someone asked me to trade a 400-500hp mustang for my 300whp Z, I would slap them in the face. Z's have been getting faster every year but still horsepower isnt everything. I take my Z to events and the power it makes is perfect, considering a turbo kit less and less everyday. Feels like a strive to just be the fastest, but there is always someone faster. At some point you just need to enjoy what you have just for the fact that it does the job and makes you happy __________________ DRIFTING JOURNAL \| Follow me on Instagram \| Facebook \| Houston Halos

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08-22-2012, 01:35 PM	#20 (permalink)
coltrain Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 111 Drives: Prospective buyer Rep Power: 15	I think the Z is starting to grow up. I remember when the 350Z first came out ... it was an unrefined affordable club racer with limited creature comforts. The 370Z and updated 2013 370Z seem more focused on creating a livable Daily Driver. Color combinations are becoming more unique and refinements seem to be more in line with competitor German engineering. IMHO, I think keeping the same HP / TQ would be ok. If the Z is growing up ... I think MPG's need to be addressed, as well as engine efficiency. ~18/31 MPGs is not good.

08-22-2012, 03:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,284 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	There are options for super chargers and turbos for our cars if power is truely an issue. Heck, Stillen SC comes with a warranty for the car even. Power is a non-issue imho. Unless you want a crazy 1000+ beast...

08-22-2012, 03:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	I hate to burst your bubble OP but that looks like a canned response that they send to everyone Your comment regarding the Z becoming a luxury car might have been better suited if you were in the focus group prior to the 370z launching but at this point you're just sending a note to a low-level employee in consumer affairs that has no say in product or planning

08-22-2012, 03:49 PM	#24 (permalink)
MattP725 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Toms River, NJ Posts: 1,904 Drives: 2010 40th Rep Power: 17	I find it funny that you complained about the $$$ for power... the Z has a very good amount of power and performance for the money, infact I remember reading several articles about how it keeps up with cars priced 20-30k higher at times. Your also comparing a 2009 generation car with a 2012-2013 (Mustang)... of course there will be improvements.

08-22-2012, 04:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18754	Since the first car was made, it has enjoyed continued improvement in power & handling over the years. While we would all like this trend to continue, there is no guarantee of this. Our government is putting more emphasis on safety and fuel efficiency. So it's possible, significant increases in horsepower from the manufacturer with lower costs, may not occur. With the above thought in mind. I say, buy, drive & enjoy what's available today.

08-22-2012, 06:17 PM	#30 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18754	edub, That sentence was in reference to the evolution of cars in general, since the Model T. Not specifcally to the 370Z since 09.