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You basically said the same thing I did lol |
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I went to Art Center College of Design which is where half of the car designers in the world came from ( i was not a transportation design major, but I knew plenty of them). That is no pro sketch. If it is, then Nissan's standards are pretty damn low these days.
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I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design. https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154 I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official. |
the article says the info came from Shiro Nakamura, but it doesn't say anything about the sketch. Judging by the poor quality of the article, I bet they just typed in Z concept on google and pasted some picture they found there.
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I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.
I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z. Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now. |
i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ
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I don't think nissan will target the brz market, I they will still target the same market but make the car more competitive to similar priced coupes, the idea of a 3,000 lbs + 300hp sounds more plausible, it would be icing on the cake if the hp was 350 or higher.:driving: At the end of the day we all win, the Z will be iconic again. |
as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha.
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Or, harken back to the 300ZX and go smaller displacement, twin turbos. :driving: |
The Z's performance certainly won't go down for the next gen, especially if they continue to set the Cayman as their target competition.
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Porsches 2014 cayman will be a 2900lb/350hp 2.5TT-4Banger, or at least will be an engine option. I think nissan is trying to step up to that issue. Not the FR-S. The FR-S battle with nissan is media hype to let toyota bank on american money since they are deep in the US business bed. If toyota scion goes FI (which they said they won't. Only subie has claimed to want FI.) Then that may be a concern. I do know that toyota germany built a supercharged 320hp FT86 race car and the car looked mostly stock. Maybe Scion is preparing in case they get swallowed??? But nissan needs to focus on the budget porsche thing. They do a great job at it. FR-S worrying is wasted emotion for nissan. |
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then I rescind my comment about it being the worst thing I have ever read English-wise.
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^ haha, it's still pretty bad even for a google translation.
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Looks like the focus on the next Z will be to slim it down. I don't think we'll see them drop the performance to compete with the FT86. Rather, according to this article, Nissan may be developing a new mini Z as a separate model to fulfill that role.
http://wot.motortrend.com/slimming-d...ns-253387.html |
Also another article on the general discussion page saying a 15% power bump incoming to all nismo models?
Could we see a Z with 380-400hp by 2014? http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-platform.html |
Historically, Nissan came out with the 350Z before Ford came out with the S197. Nissan then came out with the 370Z right before Ford changed things up for 2010. Ford is doing something in 2014/2015. Who knows if Nissan will just do a change-up, or if they will come out with something new. We will wait and see. If it's just 20bhp, though, it won't do much for my interest. I already have that with just a crappy Berk CBE.
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^^You trade in the Z for the Lambo?
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5 years is too soon for a totally new next gen Z. They can't really justify a new powertrain just yet, so Direct Injection is definitely the only feasable route for Nissan. It makes sense if they just want to hit the 400hp mark for the Nismo. It would be awesome just for "bragging" rights, but I'll probably wait for the completely redesigned model if/when I decide to get a new one. This thread, like so many others is pure fantasy and wishfull thinking...:)
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They're not going to target BR-Z buyers any more than they target Porche/Mustang/Camaro/Audi TT/BMW buyers. That's kind of why a mini-Z was brought into discussions. Nissan is def going for the "performance" aspect in it's advertising. A turbo 4 has a lot of potential, but a 6-cyl has a lot more. Your max power ceiling for a 4-cyl is lower than a 6-cyl. Assuming the VQ37 remains as is, a well engineered 4-cyl could match it, but it can't match a well engineered VQ37 with the same attention to engineering. Having a 3,000lbs/300hp Z will have roughly the same power to weight ratio as the current 370 and I doubt it will be faster. Raising the power and lowering the weight is a what you want. Most people, like myself, obviously want more power, but I've never felt it lacking in the Z either. There's always another faster car just around the corner. Not a good reason to sell your Z. |
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were some powertrain improvements for the 2014. Here's why:
Solution? New or revised engine for the 370. Let's just hope the new engine isn't a result of Nissan/Renault's recent alliance with Daimler. |
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If Nissan goes with the turbo 4. They will AGAIN be competing with the Porsche Cayman. Dig into the archives and see how important it has historically been for nissan to rival porsche performance since the Z32. It's what makes the most sense... |
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Nissan can fiddle with cash even with a low selling car like the Z because of cars like the altima, g,sentra, versa and small crossover style vehicles like the exterra , rogue and murano. They are the bread and butter and always recieve trickle down technology. |
I still think that the next Z will at least share the engine with the next G coupe/ sedna, and the next coupe is around the corner for a full redesign so that should give us a good glimpse of what's to come.
Honestly I am excited to see what the next wave of redesigns will bring, we have the Z, G coming in shortly and all the competition is getting redesigns. :driving: |
Will see what happens, I hope it doesn't turn into a ricers wet dream :excited:. I agree on the performance of the 370. It could be revamped and is underrated for its potential. The 370 is actually the slowest (for now) sports car I ever drove, but its by fare the most balanced, and is just awesome to drive. I thought and considered Camaro, Dodge, Infinity or mustang again. But you can't find a better package at a price you achially want to pay new, without buying a modded car. Will see what happenes.
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