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UNKNOWN_370 08-23-2012 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Joepro (Post 1882026)
I have not got my 370 yet(long story of difficulty selling my 350), but highly considered getting the 5.0, my auto group has ford and I could get a killer deal...Our HR office is attached to the ford showroom and I was down there for an appt and they have a 13 gt on the showroom floor (and 2 gt500s outside?) and I had a spare moment...what am I looking for in my next sports car; performance, handling, style? Well the mustang certainly has both the first 2, performance and handling(it does, lets stop denying it), but 20 seconds on the inside I wanted out...back seats, retro styling, ugh, it’s just not me, sure the track apps are cool, but how many crashed stangs are going to be the result of those... Given its flaws, the Z car is well, me...I am a Honda guy though and through, I work for Honda, but they just have not delivered anything like the Z car...sure the s2k, if you like a convertible and you are 5 foot 7 and 130 lbs, you’ll like it just fine...anyway, I will stop there, we are a different breed, when you need a blended car with my criteria, the Z is right there, and will always be there. I knew the short comings and issues of the 350 when I bought it, but it just clicked with me. I will be able to buy a used Z for as little as 25k with the options and mileage I want, do 10k of mods if I so choose, and be right at or above the level of performance of a full bolt on 5.0(my research shows low 400 whp), but guess what, I just might leave this one NA, it’s fun having a "slower" car that requires the driver to push the car’s limits to compete with the others, that my friends is the real challenge. I have dragged my Z at the local strip a few times and have turned in abysmal 13.6-14.2s on 245 nankangs, but guess what, I beat 3 stangs(04 and 2 2010s) and a c5 vette in one day…figure that one out, and lost to a new camaro ss by .2 seconds, even in a stock 370z I would have taken him or at least matched it…Power is Not everything, VDC, well said.

ps, the letter does sound a bit canned, sorry, it just does.
If you go stang??? Do it right? a gold n black boss302:tup:

Waiz 08-23-2012 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by TypeOne (Post 1882443)
That sounds like a pretty generic response honestly, not an open invitation to send them all of your ideas as to what the cars should be.

In all reality, they have already designed the car and have made the changes. You can't redesign and build a new car in a year... so I would be willing to be the people over at Nissan has a handle on it.
:werd:

You basically said the same thing I did lol

TypeOne 08-23-2012 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1882823)
:werd:

You basically said the same thing I did lol
I didn't read any of the other comments after I read the first one.

:p

Waiz 08-23-2012 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TypeOne (Post 1882870)
I didn't read any of the other comments after I read the first one.

:p
Well like nearly every thread that is in this section it was all offtopic and had nothing to do with the OP so you can disregard them lol

brucelidat 08-23-2012 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1881908)
hey sorta did it with the 07 G35 coupe. Its the only year with the vq35hr, before 08 showed a full redesign. It wasn't a full redesign but interior was upgraded with a whole new engine that ran only 1 yr in the G But he could be playing word games. 2014 would be the year of the 2015 model year.

I did find this... a supposed sketch of the next Z with alleged info.

Nissan Z 2015: Towards a Descent Range (Mechanical)?
That was one of the most poorly written articles I have ever read. The poor english made my head hurt ta times.

UNKNOWN_370 08-23-2012 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1882928)
That was one of the most poorly written articles I have ever read. The poor english made my head hurt ta times.
While you are right... What struck me as more important was that Z sketch. Honestly, if that's an official Z sketch as stated? It's atrocious. It also seems the article is claiming direct quotes from nissan execs. Way more important than how well it was written if this has any real fact behind it?

brucelidat 08-23-2012 03:28 PM
I went to Art Center College of Design which is where half of the car designers in the world came from ( i was not a transportation design major, but I knew plenty of them). That is no pro sketch. If it is, then Nissan's standards are pretty damn low these days.

UNKNOWN_370 08-23-2012 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1883569)
I went to Art Center College of Design which is where half of the car designers in the world came from ( i was not a transportation design major, but I knew plenty of them). That is no pro sketch. If it is, then Nissan's standards are pretty damn low these days.
Well i hope not, because the car design in question looks about 10 years outdated and very sedan-ish.

I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design.

https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154

I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official.

brucelidat 08-23-2012 03:32 PM
the article says the info came from Shiro Nakamura, but it doesn't say anything about the sketch. Judging by the poor quality of the article, I bet they just typed in Z concept on google and pasted some picture they found there.

bigdog1250 08-23-2012 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1883579)
Well i hope not, because the car design in question looks about 10 years outdated and very sedan-ish.

I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design.

https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154

I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official.
Those look pretty sexy! Thanks for sharing

Xplicit97 08-23-2012 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1883579)
Well i hope not, because the car design in question looks about 10 years outdated and very sedan-ish.

I found some more alleged raw sketches that contradict that design.

https://forge.localmotors.com/pages/project.php?cg=9154

I know this is questionable info but, usually, one out 20 sketches will actually be a leaked official.
Not a fan of any of those.. But hey if they f up the next gen Z, be it by going to a 4 cyl or that it looks like ish. At least our Zs will be more valuable, and more powerful

NYBladeZ 08-24-2012 04:34 PM
I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

brucelidat 08-24-2012 04:45 PM
i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ

Redglare 08-24-2012 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1885446)
I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1885456)
i wouldn't say a turbo 4, 300+ hp, sub 3000 lb Z would be targeting the BRZ
I partially agree, if the Z trend continues (and I am sure it will) then the current gen Z will take a big hit just like the 07-08 Z (especially used market) did when the 09 370 came out.

I don't think nissan will target the brz market, I they will still target the same market but make the car more competitive to similar priced coupes, the idea of a 3,000 lbs + 300hp sounds more plausible, it would be icing on the cake if the hp was 350 or higher.:driving:

At the end of the day we all win, the Z will be iconic again.

brucelidat 08-24-2012 05:11 PM
as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha.

Alstann 08-24-2012 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1885499)
as long as it's a better car (faster, handling, feel) and is sexy looking, I don't care how they do it, whether it's N/A, a turbo 6 or a turbo 4. Although if they mess up, I won't feel the pressure to upgrade, haha.
I personally feel that they still hold dear to the heritage of the Z too much to drop the 6 cylinders from the Z lineup. Weren't they talking about using Mercedes Benz V6'es in their lineup soon? Curious to see how much the 3.5 DI V6 could do.

Or, harken back to the 300ZX and go smaller displacement, twin turbos. :driving:

b1adesofcha0s 08-24-2012 11:00 PM
The Z's performance certainly won't go down for the next gen, especially if they continue to set the Cayman as their target competition.

UNKNOWN_370 08-25-2012 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1885446)
I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.

Porsches 2014 cayman will be a 2900lb/350hp 2.5TT-4Banger, or at least will be an engine option. I think nissan is trying to step up to that issue. Not the FR-S. The FR-S battle with nissan is media hype to let toyota bank on american money since they are deep in the US business bed.
If toyota scion goes FI (which they said they won't. Only subie has claimed to want FI.) Then that may be a concern. I do know that toyota germany built a supercharged 320hp FT86 race car and the car looked mostly stock. Maybe Scion is preparing in case they get swallowed??? But nissan needs to focus on the budget porsche thing. They do a great job at it. FR-S worrying is wasted emotion for nissan.

cheshirecat 08-25-2012 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1882928)
That was one of the most poorly written articles I have ever read. The poor english made my head hurt ta times.
IMO, the article was auto-translated from Japanese to English.

b1adesofcha0s 08-25-2012 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 1886565)
IMO, the article was auto-translated from Japanese to English.
Yeah that's what I though as well.

brucelidat 08-25-2012 06:49 PM
then I rescind my comment about it being the worst thing I have ever read English-wise.

Redglare 08-25-2012 07:31 PM
^ haha, it's still pretty bad even for a google translation.

b1adesofcha0s 08-28-2012 02:18 PM
Looks like the focus on the next Z will be to slim it down. I don't think we'll see them drop the performance to compete with the FT86. Rather, according to this article, Nissan may be developing a new mini Z as a separate model to fulfill that role.

http://wot.motortrend.com/slimming-d...ns-253387.html

Redglare 08-28-2012 09:20 PM
Also another article on the general discussion page saying a 15% power bump incoming to all nismo models?
Could we see a Z with 380-400hp by 2014?

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-platform.html

ImportConvert 08-28-2012 10:35 PM
Historically, Nissan came out with the 350Z before Ford came out with the S197. Nissan then came out with the 370Z right before Ford changed things up for 2010. Ford is doing something in 2014/2015. Who knows if Nissan will just do a change-up, or if they will come out with something new. We will wait and see. If it's just 20bhp, though, it won't do much for my interest. I already have that with just a crappy Berk CBE.

b1adesofcha0s 08-28-2012 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Redglare (Post 1891381)
Also another article on the general discussion page saying a 15% power bump incoming to all nismo models?
Could we see a Z with 380-400hp by 2014?

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-platform.html
I think that's supposed to be a 15% power bump for the Nismo RS model over the normal 2014 Z. Depending on what Nissan does power wise with the next gen Z, we could very well see a 400 HP Nismo.

LakeShow 08-29-2012 01:22 AM
^^You trade in the Z for the Lambo?

Cmike2780 08-29-2012 08:25 AM
5 years is too soon for a totally new next gen Z. They can't really justify a new powertrain just yet, so Direct Injection is definitely the only feasable route for Nissan. It makes sense if they just want to hit the 400hp mark for the Nismo. It would be awesome just for "bragging" rights, but I'll probably wait for the completely redesigned model if/when I decide to get a new one. This thread, like so many others is pure fantasy and wishfull thinking...:)

Cmike2780 08-29-2012 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1885446)
I doubt changes to the new Z will effect the Z's value in any way other than negatively. The question is will Nissan target BR-Z buyers or as they do with the GT-R buyers who want superior performance for a lot less money.

I'm leaning toward the first which may not be a bad idea. A well engineering turbo'd 4cyl will put out more than the vq37 especially when factors such as direct injection are taken into account. Making the Z even lighter (sub 3000) pounds and keeping it at 300+ hp will give us a car that is lighter, faster and has more potential than the 370z.

Sell now guys, if you aren't going TT or S/C sell now.
That's true for all cars. For the most part, 1st year cars hold their value longer than the last model year of the same car.

They're not going to target BR-Z buyers any more than they target Porche/Mustang/Camaro/Audi TT/BMW buyers. That's kind of why a mini-Z was brought into discussions. Nissan is def going for the "performance" aspect in it's advertising.

A turbo 4 has a lot of potential, but a 6-cyl has a lot more. Your max power ceiling for a 4-cyl is lower than a 6-cyl. Assuming the VQ37 remains as is, a well engineered 4-cyl could match it, but it can't match a well engineered VQ37 with the same attention to engineering. Having a 3,000lbs/300hp Z will have roughly the same power to weight ratio as the current 370 and I doubt it will be faster. Raising the power and lowering the weight is a what you want.

Most people, like myself, obviously want more power, but I've never felt it lacking in the Z either. There's always another faster car just around the corner. Not a good reason to sell your Z.

b1adesofcha0s 08-29-2012 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LakeShow (Post 1891749)
^^You trade in the Z for the Lambo?
Yeah....I wish. No, I just got to drive the Lambo for a couple laps around a short track.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1891879)
5 years is too soon for a totally new next gen Z. They can't really justify a new powertrain just yet, so Direct Injection is definitely the only feasable route for Nissan. It makes sense if they just want to hit the 400hp mark for the Nismo. It would be awesome just for "bragging" rights, but I'll probably wait for the completely redesigned model if/when I decide to get a new one. This thread, like so many others is pure fantasy and wishfull thinking...:)
Everything that I've seen tells me that the 2015 model year Z (which will go on sale in 2014) IS the completely redesigned one. Seems like they really want to make the Z lighter and leaner with this redesign and hopefully that will come with a power bump too.

jm1fd 09-01-2012 04:44 PM
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if there were some powertrain improvements for the 2014. Here's why:
  1. The 370's platform mate the Infiniti G is going to be all new for 2014.
  2. It has been said elsewhere that new engines are being introduced for the 2014 G.
  3. Nissan likely needs/wants a bit more engine manufacturing economy of scale for these new engines than the G alone can provide.

Solution? New or revised engine for the 370. Let's just hope the new engine isn't a result of Nissan/Renault's recent alliance with Daimler.

UNKNOWN_370 09-02-2012 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1891879)
5 years is too soon for a totally new next gen Z. They can't really justify a new powertrain just yet, so Direct Injection is definitely the only feasable route for Nissan. It makes sense if they just want to hit the 400hp mark for the Nismo. It would be awesome just for "bragging" rights, but I'll probably wait for the completely redesigned model if/when I decide to get a new one. This thread, like so many others is pure fantasy and wishfull thinking...:)
Historically, a Z generation is 6 years... But why cant we have a totally new engine for the next generation? The VQ is in business in the infiniti lineup and not going anywhere... There's plenty of vehicles in VQ35's as of right now that can use the VQ37 bump. The M-hybrid, EX, FX, I wouldn't be surprised if the next gen Murano & Maxima sees the VQ37 as well. I can agree that the VQ may see more efficient transmissions and possibly DI technology in the future. But it doesn't have to be in the Z. An exclusive powerplant will give the Z... well true exclusivity. Also analyze this fact...
If Nissan goes with the turbo 4. They will AGAIN be competing with the Porsche Cayman. Dig into the archives and see how important it has historically been for nissan to rival porsche performance since the Z32. It's what makes the most sense...

jm1fd 09-02-2012 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1899010)
An exclusive powerplant will give the Z... well true exclusivity.
The problem is cost. Name one low volume Nissan product besides the GT-R that has a unique engine. The days of every model getting its own engine is over.

Z_ealot 09-02-2012 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jm1fd (Post 1899023)
The problem is cost. Name one low volume Nissan product besides the GT-R that has a unique engine. The days of every model getting its own engine is over.
leaf lol

jm1fd 09-02-2012 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 1899028)
leaf lol
LOL Electric motors don't count. Besides, it is a loss leader special.

Z_ealot 09-02-2012 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jm1fd (Post 1899033)
LOL Electric motors don't count. Besides, it is a loss leader special.
no fair you didnt specify :P lol

UNKNOWN_370 09-02-2012 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jm1fd (Post 1899023)
The problem is cost. Name one low volume Nissan product besides the GT-R that has a unique engine. The days of every model getting its own engine is over.
Yeah but who is to say that engine won't be used later on in other models? Also, The Z is looking for a series of gimmicks to push this car cuz americans like gimmicks. The G25 isn't the most desireable option for a G yet it is excluively fitted as a base G motor. Sometimes companies need to take risks.

Nissan can fiddle with cash even with a low selling car like the Z because of cars like the altima, g,sentra, versa and small crossover style vehicles like the exterra , rogue and murano. They are the bread and butter and always recieve trickle down technology.

Redglare 09-02-2012 09:31 PM
I still think that the next Z will at least share the engine with the next G coupe/ sedna, and the next coupe is around the corner for a full redesign so that should give us a good glimpse of what's to come.

Honestly I am excited to see what the next wave of redesigns will bring, we have the Z, G coming in shortly and all the competition is getting redesigns.

:driving:

LiquidCrewZ 09-02-2012 11:09 PM
Will see what happens, I hope it doesn't turn into a ricers wet dream :excited:. I agree on the performance of the 370. It could be revamped and is underrated for its potential. The 370 is actually the slowest (for now) sports car I ever drove, but its by fare the most balanced, and is just awesome to drive. I thought and considered Camaro, Dodge, Infinity or mustang again. But you can't find a better package at a price you achially want to pay new, without buying a modded car. Will see what happenes.

nmjaxx9 09-02-2012 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidCrewZ (Post 1899355)
Will see what happens, I hope it doesn't turn into a ricers wet dream :excited:. I agree on the performance of the 370. It could be revamped and is underrated for its potential. The 370 is actually the slowest (for now) sports car I ever drove, but its by fare the most balanced, and is just awesome to drive. I thought and considered Camaro, Dodge, Infinity or mustang again. But you can find a better package at a price you achially want to pay new, without buying a modded car.
I considered a G, Camaro as well, but it seems sometimes its not all about speed but a well balanced ride. With that being said the 370z has that "it" (i think looks has a lot to do with it) that people can overlook the less power factor plus the Auto trannys are no sleepers they are strong on these cars, I like em. :driving::tup:


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