Toyota GT86 / Scion FR-S v Nissan 370Z v Used Porsche Cayman S

gbrettin

He brought a used Cayman which would go for the same price or a little less than the 370Z or FRS new.

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buddyZ

wow he just basically completely bashed the 370Z, i mean i have issues with the car also but this guy is a joke. I understand the fr-s is respectable but the 370Z being quiet" and steering wheel not close enough are weak reasons not to have fun in it like he was saying. I'm sure some of you here can show him how to "push the car"

Nissanboy

This guy seems like a retarded phaggot. He sounds like he's just jumping on the ft86 bandwagon and making unintelligent criticism against the Z

nuTinmuch

You sound like an intelligent individual.

Chris Harris is awesome. You can have a different opinion on something completely subjective and not sound like a twelve year old.

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G35_FTMFW

I just dont see the point in this review comparing a Used 70k miles Cayman probably an older model Z and a BRAND NEW FRS?

Sorry this guy is an idiot, wonder how much Toyota paid him to do this review.

my2004Z

Scooters can be fun but that doesn't make them comparable to my Z. 8/10ths type of car? Maybe he drove it to 11/10ths of his skill level and it scared him. Sooner or later this band wagon will simmer down. I just read the latest Road & Track magazine and they put stickier tires on the FR-S "just to see how it would perform." C'mon, put club tires on the other cars just to see how they would perform too.

cossie1600

Someone put 285 Hoosier on their FRS and I put 285 RE11 on my Z. Sure it might grip better and handle better, but it didnt quite make up 150HP diference

Speaking of Scooter and great fun, I have a 2009 Honda Metropolitan for sale. Sorry for the shameless plug

PharmDZ

I think people forget that the FR-S was designed specifically for its handling and driving characteristics. It has no straight line speed, and as he said, the interior is meh. The Z is an excellent all around car, but it's not going to drive as crisp around a track as the FR-S. They didn't put every ounce of the design/engineering into its handling. Can't bash him for that, but I do agree he goes a little hard on the car.

Jordo!

Weirdly he hates Miatas

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Huh?

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Japanjay

Did any one notice it has a sport wing with non-sport wheels? Doesnt make sense. You are missing the bigger brakes and the VLSD or there are different packages available in the UK or there is some video trickery going on and a biased review IMO. The tires on the FRS are about as wide as the 225/45r16 R1r's I am running on my integra. I can drive my integra way harder and is way more stable in the turns but come on man my Z smashes it all around. I can confidently say with way more seat time and loose the fear of crashing a $30k+ vehicle it would pull the same if not better through the same course, and I am just refering to the turns. My 2 dont even compare once it straightens out. No matter how hard I push the teg with the same HP and TQ as the BRZ and all the suspension work I have done to that car the first straight the Z will fly by and be a speck coming out of the next turn....

He is happy about the squirming it has. I guess if that is what makes it fun to drive.... I agree the Z's tranny does feel just how he describes it, but that is from stiffer bushings in the shifter which is called an upgrade on other cars from Energy Suspension.... Gimmie a brake man.

Z_ealot

are you friggin kidding me...this is the most biased review i have ever seen, i mean c'mon anybody can see that he just nit picks away at the Z when it comes to doing a review on it...i think the most rediculous comment he made was the whole "engine starts to get wheezy above 5k RPM" lol. last time i checked thats when the Z really starts to get into its powerband, and then all the bashing on the handling of course, personally i have never felt uncomfortable pushing my Z through the corners cause it does exactly what i ask it to do with no fuss. i have to disagree with this "reviewer" on every point cause as far as im concerned i have alot of "fun" as he puts it in my Z more so than i have any other car i've driven and/or test driven. not knockin on the FR-S at all, they are nice cars and im glad to have more RWD options for sports cars, but this guy doesnt seem to know how to push the Z properly. oh and one more thing i forgot, he even rips on the Z for the steering position and the whole "driver focused" thing, when that is what nissans whole goal in the 370Z was for the cabin to be "driver focused"...geez just thinking about some of the comments he made makes him seem more biased every second.

FairladyZ

When he says wheezy, i think he literally meant the sound.

The engine sounds coarse in the higher RPMS.

Super Tanooki

I think Chris Harris is an excellent reviewer. I watch all of his stuff. I agree though - he seems so blindly absorbed by the FR-S hype-train at the moment that he almost comes across as a gloating fanboy in this particular review. He makes some rather large and fundamental criticisms of the FR-S (technically overpriced, "slow", cheap interior, crap engine note, "not for someone who wants performance"), while making fairly trivial complaints on the Z (steering position, rubbery shifter feel) and yet he dresses the review up in a way that makes the FR-S seem incredible and the Z seem like garbage.

Speaking as a professional reviewer myself (I review video games for a living), I admit that it can be easy to get caught up in the moment and overly praise/bash something because you were in the spirit. I've done it. And I think Harris is doing it here. I love my Z - some niggling issues I've had to fix with some simple mods, but I smile every time I hit that gas pedal - and I don't have to be going sideways out of a corner to have fun. I drove an FR-S and it was just too slow for me. I think Harris is reviewing this based on one fact - he likes to slide, and the FR-S tires (combined with a superbly balanced chassis) are low-grip enough to allow for that. And that's pretty much it.