Saw a 2013 Z on the road today....

Magic Bus · 08-17-2012, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I just don't see where a base + sport can be justifiable at $39570 msrp. To me a Z base sport at the most would be worth 38k. And that price still pushes limits. I paid 37k otd. I know these Z won't see the same kind of price breaks.
Its still an awesome car, but not a compelling financial value. Like it used to be.

Camry's etc go up because they keep technologically advancing every 2 years or so. The Z hasn't budged much in 5 model years.
The most significant upgrades have been, oil cooler and upgraded nav screen (if u buy it). Little things like heated mirrors, in cabin filter and upgraded shocks happened in 11: all of this is simple crap for a car company. I expect more for an average of $800-900 a year increase.

Unknown, I understand how you feel. This car is not cheap. Please keep in mind that inflation in the last 10 years have grown at an average rate of 3%. 2011 US official figures was 3.7%. Taking a $30,000 commodity, 3% would equal $900. Add in a weakening dollar, and Nissan's price increase is not out of the norm.

Do I like it.....no, but that is the reality of our world.

Due diligence before the sale, plus using the competition can yield a fairly good price. You're welcome to read my post in the Introduction section, titled 2013 On Order (my price is there). I feel like I got a great deal and really enjoy my 2013Z. Thanks for all the info you guys post here

hadokenuh · 08-17-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I just don't see where a base + sport can be justifiable at $39570 msrp. To me a Z base sport at the most would be worth 38k. And that price still pushes limits. I paid 37k otd. I know these Z won't see the same kind of price breaks.
Its still an awesome car, but not a compelling financial value. Like it used to be.

Camry's etc go up because they keep technologically advancing every 2 years or so. The Z hasn't budged much in 5 model years.
The most significant upgrades have been, oil cooler and upgraded nav screen (if u buy it). Little things like heated mirrors, in cabin filter and upgraded shocks happened in 11: all of this is simple crap for a car company. I expect more for an average of $800-900 a year increase.

I understand you now but just to throw out there, the new Z base + sport is around 36K MSRP, not 39K like you said. Touring + Sport is 39K MSRP.

Niccrock · 09-21-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Looks are subjective... Dollar value isn't. The Z is a declining value and its bang for buck status has dwindled with this refresh. I don't see how that's being picky.

But I do thank the 13 and future 14 purchasers for the sacrifice and keeping the Z name alive. Everyone who contributes to purchasing one may may possibly be helping the next gen Z to be a better car??? For that I will give all Z owners love.

Hey thanks man. I'm was really into the looks the back of the Z back in '10; I wasn't into the fangs for some reason. Now the looks are stunning! I finally decided to purchase the '13. But I'm really unhappy about how much I paid; I paid close to 38K out the door including the 6/100,000 warranty...

OMGiGOTaZ · 08-16-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hadokenuh

You guys are just too picky. The car still looks great. I love the LEDs.

Heck yeah I'm picky, I'm Paying the car note

And I loooved the thought of the LED's. I like some of the audi LED in the headlights and thought it would give it that kind of edge but it didnt, i was like

hadokenuh · 08-17-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ

Heck yeah I'm picky, I'm Paying the car note

And I loooved the thought of the LED's. I like some of the audi LED in the headlights and thought it would give it that kind of edge but it didnt, i was like

Lol i was just saying the refreshed Z doesnt look as bad as some people say.

AreJay · 08-17-2012, 01:02 AM

Saw my first one today on the lot. Must say it did look much better in person over the pictures I have been seeing. I had a salesmen turn the car on and I didn't care for the look of the LEDs. Also there were only on as a parking light. Didn't come on with the headlights, but I'm sure there's a way to fix that.

Magic Bus · 08-17-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AreJay

Saw my first one today on the lot. Must say it did look much better in person over the pictures I have been seeing. I had a salesmen turn the car on and I didn't care for the look of the LEDs. Also there were only on as a parking light. Didn't come on with the headlights, but I'm sure there's a way to fix that.

Yes, you are partly correct. Actually, they are on all the time. With the exception of when the headlights are on.

Salesperson told me the same thing before I bought the car, it's only on for parking. My reply was, "this car can see a parking stall and turn itself on???" He thought about it for a second or two, then said, "oh yeah, wonder how it knows that"

Rockhound · 08-17-2012, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Its less about hate and more about, going back to the old front from 5 years ago with LED's and subtle fangs. It's about paying 40k for a base sport loaded that didnt even get a 10hp boost or some engine refinement of some type... If all nissan is offering is GLORIFIED 350z bumper and so called "euro-shocks"? Why is the price going up again and how is it competitive to vastly upgraded cars like the gencoupe and 1ls-ss camaro????

Hate is when something is better than yours and you don't like seeing someone else with it. On the contrary, I want to see the next gen nissan brothers have better and pput me up on the scoop. You got it twisted.

1. Other than lacking body-color fangs, the '13 bumper is far more contoured and modern than the 350Z bumper. The fangs were somewhat polarizing - guess what? I like both. You should see it in person to not sound so uninformed.

2. You seem oblivious to the concept of inflation. My particular Z saw a 1.5% price increase over the 2012. That's under year over year inflation (1.9%). You're getting awfully worked up over a (negotiable) ~$600 increase on a $40k car. Consumer goods experience price increase without "upgrades" (i.e., a gallon of milk).

3. The Z is still highly competitive to the Gen Coupe - even with the Hyundai's "vast improvements" it's still slower than the Z. If you ask me, Hyundai took a handsome design and ruined it with boi-racer hood scoops and a garish grille. The Gen Coupe's interior is now at least a step above Elantra quality.

4. I never cross-shopped the Z to the Camaro, regardless of stats. Also, see #3 re: interior design/quality. Z to Camaro is apples to oranges.

5. Yes, I would define your tone as "hate" - you just don't realize how much you sound like that 'Buddy' character you were bickering with.

Please explain why you saw the 2013 model year as do-or-die for Nissan to radically alter their low-volume sports coupe. A five year lifespan with subtle changes is not out of the norm. Unlike Apple, there isn't going to be a "all-new" model every couple years - this isn't an iPhone, it's a car.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 08-17-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound

1. Other than lacking body-color fangs, the '13 bumper is far more contoured and modern than the 350Z bumper. The fangs were somewhat polarizing - guess what? I like both. You should see it in person to not sound so uninformed.

2. You seem oblivious to the concept of inflation. My particular Z saw a 1.5% price increase over the 2012. That's under year over year inflation (1.9%). You're getting awfully worked up over a (negotiable) ~$600 increase on a $40k car. Consumer goods experience price increase without "upgrades" (i.e., a gallon of milk).

3. The Z is still highly competitive to the Gen Coupe - even with the Hyundai's "vast improvements" it's still slower than the Z. If you ask me, Hyundai took a handsome design and ruined it with boi-racer hood scoops and a garish grille. The Gen Coupe's interior is now at least a step above Elantra quality.

4. I never cross-shopped the Z to the Camaro, regardless of stats. Also, see #3 re: interior design/quality. Z to Camaro is apples to oranges.

5. Yes, I would define your tone as "hate" - you just don't realize how much you sound like that 'Buddy' character you were bickering with.

Please explain why you saw the 2013 model year as do-or-die for Nissan to radically alter their low-volume sports coupe. A five year lifespan with subtle changes is not out of the norm. Unlike Apple, there isn't going to be a "all-new" model every couple years - this isn't an iPhone, it's a car.

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Ok, you're beginning to get defensive for no reason.

1. The comparisons to these cars aren't direct. My main issue is the Z should have upgrades that create the same kind of attention. This upgrade won't do it.
2. I am going on step further and test driving this car tomorrow. I'm not misinformed. I have studied enough pictures to know that I am not satisfied with this cars new look. But the proof will be in the pudding tomorrow.
3. Inflation. Uh huh. Point is, other cars are not rising as quickly with more upgrades annually.

I still prefer a Z as a car. Even with the current dislikes. But I'm seeing flaws in a lot of areas with progression. I don't hate the new Z because nothing has changed. But in my opinion, nissan and hyundai both fked up the front. I love the Z as a whole and I still applaud the new owners for supporting our car. That's all there is.
Nissan has gone reverse with a lot of cars. The G35 to G37 is another example. But I owned them both. Don't get all hurt.

Magic Bus · 08-17-2012, 02:15 AM

Unknown, Would like to know your opinion on the difference in the shocks. Test drove a 12 before buying, but had no other Z to compare it with at that time and too long ago for me to remember.

Yup, agree with you on the tuning of the ecu and better exhaust note. Small incremental steps is always good.

Magic Bus · 09-21-2012, 02:47 PM

Niccrock, Congrats on the 13 & Welcome to the Club!!! Gotta say I really enjoy my 13

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08-17-2012, 01:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
AreJay Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Norco Posts: 179 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z M6 Rep Power: 14	Saw my first one today on the lot. Must say it did look much better in person over the pictures I have been seeing. I had a salesmen turn the car on and I didn't care for the look of the LEDs. Also there were only on as a parking light. Didn't come on with the headlights, but I'm sure there's a way to fix that.

08-17-2012, 02:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18755	Unknown, Would like to know your opinion on the difference in the shocks. Test drove a 12 before buying, but had no other Z to compare it with at that time and too long ago for me to remember. Yup, agree with you on the tuning of the ecu and better exhaust note. Small incremental steps is always good.

09-21-2012, 02:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18755	Niccrock, Congrats on the 13 & Welcome to the Club!!! Gotta say I really enjoy my 13