370Z vs SS Camaro vs 135i
 

370Z: 31k (roughly)
3.7 V6 332 HP / 270 Tq
1/4-13.4
0-60- 4.9
3,559 pounds
SS Camaro: 31k (roughly)
6.2 V8 422 HP / 408 Tq
1/4- ?
0-60 ?
3,800 pounds
135i: 34k (roughly)
3.0 Inline 6 TT 300 HP / 300 Tq
1/4- 13.4
0-60 4.9 - 5.1

In the interest of modification I know the 135i offers more since it is already boosted, but the Z line has always offered a strong line of options. Meanwhile, I have never bought an American car before, but with those numbers and the Dale Earnheart Jr. concept car it was too jucy to overlook.
Ah one last thing, I also posted in the 135i forums to get their insight. I am still trying to find a good Camaro forum.
Ready... go

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...594#post299594

Depends on what you want out of the car. Is it going to be your daily driver or weekend / track car? If you're concerned about the modability, I think all three cars will have a great diverse aftermarket after some time. Personally I chose the 135 because I wanted something that had more room, power and luxury than my old s2k. The 135 doesn't handle as good as the s2k or have as precise of a shifter, but the pros outweighed the cons in my circumstance. As for the 370z, it looks like Nissan did their homework and is going to make a great car for the money.
The Camaro SS I'll have to do some research on, either way it's all going to be good :driving:

My dad is gonna buy a 2010 Camaro SS. He's on Camaro5.com. He said Chevy engineers managed to screw a 4.6 0-60 time and a sub 13 1/4 mile (btw it has launch control). The Camaro is gonna be awesome on the straits. But the Z would just destroy it in the corners. As for the 135i, its ugly as **** and $37K, not $34.

Funny, my current favorites for a car I could afford boils down to those three cars (135i/Camaro/370Z). After seeing the cars at SEMA and at the LA Auto Show (including the new MX5 and the S2000) I found myself comparing everything to the 370Z. By the next day my mind was made up - the 370Z wins. Funny, since I went to the show expecting to fall for the 135i.
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370 owns.
Why?
It's worth every penny!
Thata why!
:D

All the three are nice looking cars, the camaro is waaaaaay too heavy and will only be useful in a place without turns, bring it to the track and you will be last. The 370z is the most powerfull. But I think will never ride as pleasant as the 135 does. Ride both then compare.

If you want the best value for your money, or maybe single and don't care too much about ride quality or back seat space then the 370z is your way to go.

In the other hand if you want a pleasant ride with a little bit of luxury feel, or if you need a back seat, then buy the 135. But bimmers are not cheap and 37K is about what you will end up paying.

If I wanted a little bit of luxury I'd get the G37.
Actually I wanted to get a BMW 5 Series after my 370.
:ugh2:

It just depends on your preference I guess. Different strokes for different folks. :driving:

Did you see the G37 or the 5 series named at the begining of the thread?.

Your specs are a little off on the 370Z. Here are the specs from Motortrend

http://www.the370z.com/images/370zfo...nd370z4135.PNG

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...1-25-08-a.html

http://www.the370z.com/images/370zfo...rtred370z3.PNG


Here's the Motortrend specs for the BMW 135i

2008 BMW 135i - Specifications - Quick Test - Motor Trend

http://www.the370z.com/images/370zforum/135i.PNG

As you can see the numbers are identical. Both of these cars will run neck and neck if you can find two drivers with identical driving skills. But when you look at the price, there is a $10,000 difference!!!

The base NIssan 370Z is priced 29,930 and when you add the
SPORTS PACKAGE
price comes to 32,930 (before destination). But a sports package equipped 135i costs somewhere around 36K to 37K (before destination). For a young car enthusiast, that's a lot of money. I know you get the whole BMW amenities with the price, but for many car enthusiasts, who do not care about leather seats or automatic adjustable seats, 370Z is the perfect solution for their need for speed thirst.

Now as Alefcole said, if you're looking for a nice 4 seater and you don't have 74K dollars in your bank to get a GTR, 135i will give you good bang for the money. I actually had a chance to take 135i for a "spirited" drive and I know what the car is capable of. BMW did their homework and the 135i is a great car if you're looking for a 4 seater sports coupe.

BUT if you love 2 seater sports car(like me) then you can't go wrong with the 370Z. I am not a big fan of 4 seaters coupes. It just doesn't give me the true sports car feel.

All the magazines and automotive sites are very happy with the new 370Z. You can see it in their reviews.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...2-05-08-a.html

Edmunds.com 370Z review

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...road-test.html

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...greg-nico.html

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ssan-370z.html

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ssan-370z.html

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...-take-z34.html

The camaro should be in a whole different category. It's a great drag strip car with a lot of HP/tq for straight line performance but in the twisty, you'll feel it's heavy weight and inability to turn as quick as the Z or 135. I like the look but Camaro is a NO GO for me :thumbsdown:

Finally, I'd like to say that both 135i and 370Z are great cars but when it comes to $$$ versus performance, Z is a winner hands down.

2010 SS Camaro= A beautiful brick. Gorgeous but heavy as hell. Added bonus It can transform into a giant robot when you purchase the Michael Bay package.

135i= Beautiful but Paying more with little room to grow, unless you own a bank.(Oh wait you would already be broke :D) Two extra seats is a plus though.

2009 370Z=Best bang for your buck, no rear seats, but huge potential. Handling is yet to be seen, from my own personal stand point, but I think few will be disappointed.

I'd say the 135i or the 370Z I'm obviously going for the fully loaded 370.:driving:

I agree, the 370z is the best value for your money, as well as the GTR. Good for nissan for making such wonderful machines.

True story... :driving:
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Oh man, I drove the crap out of the 135i and didn't think it was ANYTHING special at all. I went in the dealer thinking 335i power in lighter cheaper car and left thinking "uh, that was not cheap and its slow"

I don't think the 135i will be a problem for the z on the track or the street.

The Camaro will be faster on the street, but add some turns and the Z comes out ahead.

Pricewise Z wins hands down

Creature comforts go to the BMW hands down

SS will guzzle too much gas for my liking.
Love the 135i but I find it just too expensive.
Z?............Just right... o yeh and I forgot to answer the question, ready? Kill kill. And that's all.

Die...Die!!!!

I will love ATHF till I'm old and grey.

Quote from Nissan 370z mailed brochure;

Nothing Else Moves Like a Z.
Nothing Else Feels Like a Z.
Nothing Else Compares Like a Z.

A beast for the price.
But, again, it all depends on your needs.

It's pretty much all been said, but I will chip in with this:

I'm at 6062' above sea level. At this height, forced induction is NICE. I'm a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick away from Colorado's premeir ski resorts. AWD and forced induction is EVEN BETTER. But I'd still rather have the Z. I don't need a back seat for this car, and the hp it'll give away at altitude it will more than get back with its appetitie for the twisties. And heck, I've got my '01 S4 for the ski mountain runs anyway. So... 135i? Tempting, and though I like the overall look of it, it just misses for me somewhere. Probably the fact that it's really only playing at being a 4-seater and wasn't quite the 2002 reincarnate fans imagined it was going to be. Camaro? Talk to me when you can get it to lose 500lbs, GM. Seriously, a 3800lb car? Really?

It's down to the Z, the M Coupe, and the Cayman S. But I can only afford the price of one of them. From what we've read so far, think I'll miss out on much? ;)

S.

I freak'n love the Cayman S. If only I could afford one...oh what the future holds.... god knows....

I really wanna see how the Camaro is going to handle with the new multilink in the rear. As far as gas guzzling, ever driven a stock 6 spd LS1 Camaro/Trans Am? 5th and 6th are both overdrives. A few bolt ons and that car will be making 450-500 easy.

Damn im really torn between the Camaro and Z now lol

the camaro all the way if you're going to mod it....the aftermarket for american muscle, especially chevy/gm is impressive. That being said I'd rather have the better handling, more refined Z and will sell/trade my '06 GTO to do so. I will sacrifice straight line performance (my GTO is not stock).

:tup:

Straight line performance is good but kinda gets old in everyday driving. Once you drive a better handling car, you can never go back to softer mushy suspension cars, EVER!

true true true true trueeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

Curb weight
est 3175 lb

This is taken straight from road and track. I would love to know how car and driver got 400 more pounds added into it.

exactly why I'm looking to move on......

Who knows. For some reason I think the car is definately lighter. One of the reviews (SORRY can't remember which one), the reviewer commented how the car was definately lighter; he could feel it.

I've never NEVER liked cars with soft suspension. I like to feel the road and know where I am while I'm on it. Otherwise driving is just pointless, as I see it.

Well, bottom line for me is base or fully loaded, the 135i is going to be $7-10K more, either way you look at it. The camero is just too heavy, and I can only imagine how much the dealer mark up is going to be in the SS version, prob the same like when the new Mustang Cobra came out.

I know this car wasn't mentioned by the OG poster, but I'm thinking the new 09 Z4 coupe will probably be the better one to compare to the Z. They are both 2 seaters and similar wheelbase, etc.
It will have the same 300hp motor as 135i, will be lighter, and base model about the same price. I'll bet that this will be one of the better performing/handling BMW's in the whole line, with the exception of some M models. It's sceduled to be unveiled around Dec 15th.

For me, it's the 370Z save my 8K for suspension upgrades and a twin turbo kit:yum:

Braden

Minicobra, I completely agree that the Z4 will be the better car to compare the Z to. I posted over in the Motive review a Car and Driver link that compared the Cayman to the Z4M. It's figures also match the Z's pound for pound.

I am sure the 09 Z4 will be close also....

Yeah, I'm basically down to the 370Z, Camaro SS, and Porsche. I thought about the BMW 135i, but that was ruled out.

You can speculate all you want, but I rather be patient and wait for the reviews to come out and compare the two. Sure, Camaro is 700 pounds heavier, but power to weight ratio, the Z is equal to it. I'm sure the Z can handle better, but someone test drove the V6 Camaro and said it was the best handling muscle car ever. So we'll see. I like both a lot. The 350Z was fun, but the one thing it doesn't and CAN'T have is a V8. V8s just sound gorgeous, and just have a great fun factor.

But my thing is I have two little kids, and I would like to every now and then pick them up from school. I can't with a two seater. Porsche might take the cake there. So we'll see. I still have till 2010 to make up my mind.

BTW Camaro does .97g on the Skidpad. Aint the Cayman a 2-seater. (unless your thinking of a 911 :tiphat:)

Where are you getting that information from? I didn't know anyone had published a test drive of the SS yet.

And yes, Porsche Carrera. Perhaps a used 07-08 model. I was thinking Cayman at first, but it's just a 2-seater.

One of the Camaro5 members had a chat with a Chevy engineer.........
BLOWN AWAY by chat w/ GM Performance Division director (gears, power potential, etc.) - Camaro Forum - 2009 Camaro / 2010 Camaro / New Camaro SS Z28 Forums - Camaro5.com

Camaro SS is a 4 seater ;)

Holy crap I hope thats true :eek:

Ehh, that's from Chevy. I don't count that until some real non-bias reviews are done on the car itself.

Yes, I know. That's why the Camaro has some plus points. But it's also huge. That's where the 370Z has plus points. :)

But no rush to pick a winner... I'll wait for the reviews and all.

If you consider used cars, I agree that the Z4M is quite the competitor and bargain.

The future Z4 with the 3.5L bi-turbo should be just as fast if not faster than the old M and offer superior handling to the older model.

Yeh, like the ones from Top Gear and EVO.

Yea, but the most important problem the Camero has is that it is a GM Product.


The Big Three are in trouble because they build shitty vehicles.:stirthepot: