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KERMIT 07-27-2012 11:44 AM

Future of the Z?
 
I am always intrigued by autonomous cars, this is an interesting video.

Just take a step back for a moment before bashing, and think about how much this can change the world

Chris Gerdes: The future race car -- 150mph, and no driver | Video on TED.com

Edit: also adding link to how google car works, very impressive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXylqtEQ0tk

Nismo89 07-27-2012 01:10 PM

interesting concept. would help out alot with the accidents and automobile death rate everywhere. if this DOES come to fruitition id love to see it!

edub370 07-27-2012 01:42 PM

not leaving my life in the hands of a system of 1's and 0's. too man variables that are encountered on the road that an algorythm cannot be develped for i.e. animals jumping in front of u, other drivers (computers) actions, debris in the road, etc...

right now if a computer system has a fault in my current car like, lets say abs, my car simply brakes less effectively. if a computer system like that ages, or has a fault after a long time, do ehicles drive less effectively/ more eradically?

maybe im just too closed minded lol

Vertigo 07-27-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1841759)
not leaving my life in the hands of a system of 1's and 0's. too man variables that are encountered on the road that an algorythm cannot be develped for i.e. animals jumping in front of u, other drivers (computers) actions, debris in the road, etc...

right now if a computer system has a fault in my current car like, lets say abs, my car simply brakes less effectively. if a computer system like that ages, or has a fault after a long time, do ehicles drive less effectively/ more eradically?

maybe im just too closed minded lol

:iagree: This would take control out of the hands of the person behind the wheel, or errr.. dashboard.
The only benefit I see with this is not needing a DD for nights at the bar. :tup:

KERMIT 07-27-2012 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vertigo (Post 1841782)
:iagree: This would take control out of the hands of the person behind the wheel, or errr.. dashboard.
The only benefit I see with this is not needing a DD for nights at the bar. :tup:

But human error is the cause of most accidents... And I would counter argue that a computer with the right sensors can pay attention to many more things (animals, idiot drivers, etc...) than a human ever could.

edub370 07-27-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KERMIT (Post 1841831)
But human error is the cause of most accidents... And I would counter argue that a computer with the right sensors can pay attention to many more things (animals, idiot drivers, etc...) than a human ever could.

but a computer cannot be instinctive. only reactive.

a computer cannot see a drunk ahead of u swerving on the highway and go, "hmm i probalby shouldnt pass him." a computer cant see the reflections of the eyes of a deer at night on the side of the road and know to slow down before one jumps out. a computer cant see a kid running thru his yard about to run out into the street to get a ball or something


all a computer can do is react once it gets into a sticky situation. you cant program instincts or intuition

KERMIT 07-27-2012 02:30 PM

Sebastian Thrun: Google's driverless car | Video on TED.com

kenchan 07-27-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KERMIT (Post 1841831)
But human error is the cause of most accidents... And I would counter argue that a computer with the right sensors can pay attention to many more things (animals, idiot drivers, etc...) than a human ever could.

yah, well planes with faulty sensors have claimed hundreds of lives.... :ugh2:

MarkGideon 07-27-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1841834)
you cant program instincts or intuition

Yet.

Technology has a funny way of doing things tomorrow we never dreamed would be possible today.

kenchan 07-27-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkGideon (Post 1841856)
Yet.

Technology has a funny way of doing things tomorrow we never dreamed would be possible today.

like flush toilet telepathically? that would be nice.

KERMIT 07-27-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1841834)
but a computer cannot be instinctive. only reactive.

a computer cannot see a drunk ahead of u swerving on the highway and go, "hmm i probalby shouldnt pass him." a computer cant see the reflections of the eyes of a deer at night on the side of the road and know to slow down before one jumps out. a computer cant see a kid running thru his yard about to run out into the street to get a ball or something


all a computer can do is react once it gets into a sticky situation. you cant program instincts or intuition

A computer can see a deer better than a human, the logic for avoiding a drunk driver can easily be programmed, it will pay attention to a child on the side of the road when you never saw him.

I don't think the superiority of computers is being questioned here, just the fact that the world will be a different place

kenchan 07-27-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KERMIT (Post 1841863)
A computer can see a deer better than a human, the logic for avoiding a drunk driver can easily be programmed, it will pay attention to a child on the side of the road when you never saw him.

I don't think the superiority of computers is being questioned here, just the fact that the world will be a different place

that will take a while.... at an affordable price, too much latency. like airbag deploying one second after impact. lol

Spikuh 07-27-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1841834)
but a computer cannot be instinctive. only reactive.

a computer cannot see a drunk ahead of u swerving on the highway and go, "hmm i probalby shouldnt pass him." a computer cant see the reflections of the eyes of a deer at night on the side of the road and know to slow down before one jumps out. a computer cant see a kid running thru his yard about to run out into the street to get a ball or something


all a computer can do is react once it gets into a sticky situation. you cant program instincts or intuition

Most of these things can be accounted for with proper programming, equipment, and a system that allows vehicles to communicate with each other.

So in the case of the drunk driver, while he may not be able to navigate the road, a chip in his vehicle can be sending out a signal to all the cars around him that there is an idiot behind the wheel and that the other vehicles should adjust their positions accordingly so that in the event of an accident, no one else is injured.

Or in the case of the deer. Vehicles with the proper sensors capable of detecting the deer can communicate the location and proximity of the deer to the surrounding vehicles so that as other vehicles come past the deer, they are already pre-adjusted to help minimize the potential of any problems that may arrise should the deer bolt into the street.

Same with the child example. There is actually a vehicle in production currently that comes with sensors that will apply the brakes and stop the vehicle should something cross behind you and you either don't see it or don't brake soon enough.

kenchan 07-27-2012 02:58 PM

would suck if a tractor trailer is approaching to broad side you but your car will not allow you to back up because a beach ball came rolling behind your car.

beach ball survies, you die.

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 03:00 PM

:tup:
KITT is coming soon. I hope they design Knight Industries turbo boost too!!!

homeryansta 07-27-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KERMIT (Post 1841831)
But human error is the cause of most accidents... And I would counter argue that a computer with the right sensors can pay attention to many more things (animals, idiot drivers, etc...) than a human ever could.

I'm a programmer and I spend most days fixing bugs.

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 03:05 PM

as controlled assistive tech on a highway... maybe? on streets? hell naw.

kenchan 07-27-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by homeryansta (Post 1841917)
I'm a programmer and I spend most days fixing bugs.

:icon18: reality sets in.

until hvac can sense human comfort and automatically change climate inside the cabin, or a nav telepathically detect where you want to go, i dont trust computers that much.

i suppose with night vision and the car making recommendations, that would be okay. but then it would sound like advertisement.

"kenchan you are hungry, make a stop at the next charburger joint on your right 200yards."

edub370 07-27-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1841896)
Same with the child example. There is actually a vehicle in production currently that comes with sensors that will apply the brakes and stop the vehicle should something cross behind you and you either don't see it or don't brake soon enough.

But thats the problem exactly. it senses the child already in your path and reacts. where as i can see a child running across his yard and slow down before he gets to the street and i need to panic brake

they should be used as an aid, not a replacement

i will again say, computers can only react. not be instictive. not in our lifetime probably

falconfixer 07-27-2012 03:14 PM

remember, programs and software are only as perfect as the human creating the source code.

kenchan 07-27-2012 03:16 PM

and most often than not, nerds are programming who dont know how to drive in the first place... lol ;)

Spikuh 07-27-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1841935)
But thats the problem exactly. it senses the child already in your path and reacts. where as i can see a child running across his yard and slow down before he gets to the street and i need to panic brake

they should be used as an aid, not a replacement

i will again say, computers can only react. not be instictive. not in our lifetime probably

So turn the sensors outward so it sees them before they cross in front of you...

kenchan 07-27-2012 03:37 PM

would suck to drive on rural roads with tall grass blowing in the wind towards the road. will be like watching a novice MT driver practicing how to work the clutch...

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1841948)
and most often than not, nerds are programming who dont know how to drive in the first place... lol ;)

:roflpuke2:

UNKNOWN_370 07-27-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1841924)
:icon18: reality sets in.

until hvac can sense human comfort and automatically change climate inside the cabin, or a nav telepathically detect where you want to go, i dont trust computers that much.

i suppose with night vision and the car making recommendations, that would be okay. but then it would sound like advertisement.

"kenchan you are hungry, make a stop at the next charburger joint on your right 200yards."

good point.

edub370 07-27-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1841979)
So turn the sensors outward so it sees them before they cross in front of you...

So then they pick up every person at a sidewalk, or crossing a street, or at a bus stop...

the computer doesnt know which people are likely to dart in front of a car. a kid with a pall or a dog in a yard YOU can distinguish, but not a comp

kenchan 07-27-2012 03:59 PM

^^ +1

and stupid-arse pranksters will line up next to high ways doing the high kick making the car go nuts trying to decide if he's going to cross the road or just goofing around.

Vertigo 07-27-2012 04:46 PM

As stated, there are far too many variables in everyday driving for the entire process to be automated. Trading bad drivers for malfunctioning computers isn't the answer.

At least you can do something about a bad driver.

kenchan 07-27-2012 04:49 PM

yah, and imagine the lawsuits car makers and software/hardware makers will face.

the biggest idiots will become rich for.. just being idiots.

Vertigo 07-27-2012 04:58 PM

Toyota's sticky gas pedal times 974497896439044964

KERMIT 07-27-2012 05:42 PM

How google car works... Mainly due to the laser (although no sharks)


How Google's Self-Driving Car Works - YouTube

Z_ealot 07-28-2012 03:32 PM

sorry, but i dont like the idea of cars being able to communicate electronically...next thing you know your driving through a bad neighborhood and the 16 year old car jacker kills your engine by sending a kill signal wirelessly to your car and unlocks your doors while he's at it.

Nismo89 07-28-2012 04:20 PM

eventually since it is eletrconic..... people may try to hack the system so it wont work properly or plant some sort of Virus.

if it comes to this type of driving.... they better come with an Manuel override incase something does infact go wrong... because we all know Computers are ALWAYS right and nothing goes wrong :rolleyes: lol

safety safety

Zenki370 07-28-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KERMIT (Post 1842185)
How google car works... Mainly due to the laser (although no sharks)


How Google's Self-Driving Car Works - YouTube

hmmmmm

http://pokerterms.com/images/sharks-with-lasers-2.jpg

mhcoss 07-28-2012 07:00 PM

I don't doubt that some day computers might take over driving. Did anyone believe 50 years ago that all cars would have ECUS in them?

KERMIT 07-29-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1843182)
I don't doubt that some day computers might take over driving. Did anyone believe 50 years ago that all cars would have ECUS in them?

I can only imagine some of these same arguments back then. "what if the computer dies and it leaves me stranded? I can always fix my carb with my tools in the trunk"

370zbb 08-01-2012 02:26 AM

Nissan esflow concept

Zoren 370 08-01-2012 04:20 AM

Im not ready for this one...I still want to be in control of everything in front of me.
Maybe by the time this technology be in production I'll be sitting in my Recliner eating lollipop with Alzheimer's disease. I would care less.


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