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Old 07-26-2012, 01:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ford is the wrong comparison since they only have the Mustang to work with. Chevrolet has different models that threaten to overlap when the highest output option is matched to the lowest option of the next rung up which is more comparable to Nissan's product structure.

I imagine a Z SpecV with 425-480 hp with launch control, and the most sophisticated braking and traction control system available matching up very closely to the 2007 GT-R performance numbers. Keep it under $50K out the door and you regain the title of best performance car for your dollar.
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Ford is the wrong comparison since they only have the Mustang to work with. Chevrolet has different models that threaten to overlap when the highest output option is matched to the lowest option of the next rung up which is more comparable to Nissan's product structure.

I imagine a Z SpecV with 425-480 hp with launch control, and the most sophisticated braking and traction control system available matching up very closely to the 2007 GT-R performance numbers. Keep it under $50K out the door and you regain the title of best performance car for your dollar.
Problem is if they did this not many would opt for a GTR.
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Problem is if they did this not many would opt for a GTR.
They would now have a choice between a used GT-R or a new Z. Either way they are buying Nissan. Most "what should I get" forums here are for a Z or a 5.0 or a Corvette. The gap between the Z and GT-R is too great and needs to be narrowed.
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They would now have a choice between a used GT-R or a new Z. Either way they are buying Nissan. Most "what should I get" forums here are for a Z or a 5.0 or a Corvette. The gap between the Z and GT-R is too great and needs to be narrowed.
Exactly.

Ford:
V6 Mustang 300HP
V8 Mustang 415HP
Mustang GT500 660HP

Chevy
V6 Camaro 300HP
V8 Camaro 420HP
Corvette 438HP
Corvette Z06 505HP
Crovette ZR1 638HP

Nissan
370Z 332HP
GTR 545HP

...do you guys NOT see the difference here?!?!

If the Z was bumped up for 400-420HP it wouldn't take away from the GTR at all. Each year the GTR gets a spec bump and price increase. It costs MORE than twice our cars, with good reason, but if the Z can close the gap it would make it much more competitive and fun, all without taking away from a GTR. A GTR is considered by many as a "super car", hence the price tag and its capability to kick *** around any track. The Z couldn't touch the GTR even with 400HP, so it would only help sell the Z because many people expecting more start to turn to the V8 domestics and Nissan loses out on those sales to Ford and Chevy.

I for instance have been heavily considering a Corvette, but due to each and every old fart owning one I have held off.
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Exactly.

Ford:
V6 Mustang 300HP
V8 Mustang 415HP
Mustang GT500 660HP

Chevy
V6 Camaro 300HP
V8 Camaro 420HP
Corvette 438HP
Corvette Z06 505HP
Crovette ZR1 638HP

Nissan
370Z 332HP
GTR 545HP

...do you guys NOT see the difference here?!?!

If the Z was bumped up for 400-420HP it wouldn't take away from the GTR at all. Each year the GTR gets a spec bump and price increase. It costs MORE than twice our cars, with good reason, but if the Z can close the gap it would make it much more competitive and fun, all without taking away from a GTR. A GTR is considered by many as a "super car", hence the price tag and its capability to kick *** around any track. The Z couldn't touch the GTR even with 400HP, so it would only help sell the Z because many people expecting more start to turn to the V8 domestics and Nissan loses out on those sales to Ford and Chevy.

I for instance have been heavily considering a Corvette, but due to each and every old fart owning one I have held off.
Once again I do not know what is possible, but it does seem that a mass produced GTR engine that puts out less HP would be possible while staying with a six.

I have also heard here at the370z.com, that the Z32 tt nearly bankrupted Nissan, so they will never make another turbo Z. Yet the new talk is of a turbo 4.
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Once again I do not know what is possible, but it does seem that a mass produced GTR engine that puts out less HP would be possible while staying with a six.

I have also heard here at the370z.com, that the Z32 tt nearly bankrupted Nissan, so they will never make another turbo Z. Yet the new talk is of a turbo 4.
but that was pre-french guy when nissan had bazillian platforms each dedicated to pretty much its own car. nissan needed an overhaul very badly and the french guy did a great job cutting out the crap/fat and keeping things lean.
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