Why can't very capeable people do what Ford can ....

Originally Posted by wolf370z

I think the problem boils down to the Z getting beat at it's own game. It's not much of a sports car if it loses to muscle cars on the track

Originally Posted by Davey

It is kind of disappointing that the turns vs. straights breakdown doesn't show that the Mustang is losing in the corners and then making up time on the straights due to the HP advantage.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

In my dreams i would love the Z to forge more vital areas of the Z powerplant while finding new materials to reduce weight on the VQ by 90 lbs. A 3.7 or even go back to the 3.5,. Add the in-house forced induction piping that has been done on prototype level. refine the VQ platform by perfecting VVEL technology... maybe introduce direct injection, if necessary? Retune the Z ecu to make 300hp/300lbs of torque from its NA position and allowing to integrate the in-house turbo to add 120hp to stock engine. The NA version of the Z will be as stated and the FI would be around 420hp/380lbtq weight would be around 3000-3100 for this car.

Or just make the 3.0tt a 375hp car. with the reduced weight in the 2800-2900k lb area for this one. Refining the 3.7 would cost alot more money unless??? they'd been secretly working on it. At least turbos reflect decade one of Z culture. v8's are to heavy and will make for clumsy cornering on a wheelbase shorter than 104 inches. I love the handling too much at 100.4 to lose it.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Damn I thought you wanted the Z to lose weight

Originally Posted by wolf370z

I agree. It kind of is. Even worse when you start to think about the performance of the two vehicles after doing some basic mods. The Mustang GT just keeps getting further and further ahead. The 370z, without any sort of FI or similar displacement in its NA form just loses harder and harder. That is, assuming, both cars spend the exact same amount of $ in mods.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

the Zis 3330lbs fully loaded???

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

the Zis 3330lbs fully loaded???

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Exactly! Back in 2009-2010 the Z was better and faster than the Mustang V8 and it was winning all of the comparisons with similarly priced cars. This is no longer the case.

Also the GT-R didn't start at $100k. When it came out in 2009 it was sold at $70k MSRP. The reason it shot up is because it outperformed all those cars that were way above it. They made performance improvements every year so it stayed competitive and the price rose with them every year. Even though it's price kept going up, the GT-R still can't be beat performance wise at it's price point and that is why it is still doing well. This is not the case for the Z. It can and is beat at its own game for the same cost if not even a tiny bit cheaper. The GT-R is Nissan's halo car and their most expensive one so it doesn't have a price ceiling. The Z may go up in price, but they do have to somewhat keep it in check based on their competition.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Just a joke. Look at the part of your post I put in bold. You said 2900k lbs as in 2900 lbs x 1000 = 2,900,000 lbs

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

But you do realize that if the quarter mile was stretched further the Z would lose torque and fall back to the 08 stang. And you also realize that both cars with full bolt ons the Z was the loser. The Z true victory was on the complex track over the 08 stang. though it could beat the 08 stang stock. other factors under modification took it away.
the z being faster than the stang was coincidence. nissan was tryimng to make it rival a cayman, not beat a stang.... hmmmm????

Originally Posted by ZMan8

I'm not sure why everyone has this need to compare to a stang. I love the 5.0 GT and really like what ford has done.
However, these comparisons must stop. Do we compare the Mustang GT to Genesis 5.0 R-Spec (only comes in sedan form)?? because in essence that's what it's like comparing the 370 to the mustang.

370Z = V-6, 2 seater, sports car with short wheel base and wide track. Underlying focus on cornerning and agility, not speed. Especially once you take into consideration the short gearing.

Mustang GT = V-8, high displacement, Sporty Coupe, long wheel base, Stronger focus on straight line speed, but does well in the corners as well.

they are different cars, just like the wrx/evo are different cars than the Z. I have said this before and will say it again. If we look at similar cars (2 seats, rwd, around 3000-3400 lbs on average) you get Cayman S, bmw Z4, Audi TT. Why should Nissan look to beat the Stang? They want to make a Japanese version of a Porsche Cayman S or R.

Originally Posted by ZMan8

I'm not sure why everyone has this need to compare to a stang. I love the 5.0 GT and really like what ford has done.
However, these comparisons must stop. Do we compare the Mustang GT to Genesis 5.0 R-Spec (only comes in sedan form)?? because in essence that's what it's like comparing the 370 to the mustang.

370Z = V-6, 2 seater, sports car with short wheel base and wide track. Underlying focus on cornerning and agility, not speed. Especially once you take into consideration the short gearing.

Mustang GT = V-8, high displacement, Sporty Coupe, long wheel base, Stronger focus on straight line speed, but does well in the corners as well.

they are different cars, just like the wrx/evo are different cars than the Z. I have said this before and will say it again. If we look at similar cars (2 seats, rwd, around 3000-3400 lbs on average) you get Cayman S, bmw Z4, Audi TT. Why should Nissan look to beat the Stang? They want to make a Japanese version of a Porsche Cayman S or R.

Originally Posted by kenchan

well said, mr.zman.



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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

repped... thats basically what i beren saying but more cut and dry.

Originally Posted by wolf370z

A lot of great points made in this thread! I'm enjoying the civil discussion.

I was actually close to being "that Z guy" who was going to trade in on a 5.0 Mustang GT because of the performance reasons. After the test drive though, it was pretty obvious which I liked more

Can't give up that feeling.